India and Pakistan live side by side without nuking each other, crazy North Korea hasn't fired one off . . . Israel needs to act like any other country would and live with it. Attacking Iran (and most of its neighbours) is the best way of getting nuked in the long run.
NB we should stop selling weapons to this rogue state. It's the most insanely (and illegally) aggressive nation in the world, by some margin.
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Danno
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The only reason it still exists is because the US wants am ally in the middle east. None of Israel's neighbours want it there and it does nothing to endear itself to them or the wider world.
I'm quite a placid guy and detest war but, with an objective hat on I'm starting to question the notion that 'Israel has a right to exist' when its current government is so keen to destabilise itself and attack absolutely everyone that shares a border bar Jordan, risking full scale war in the process. Missiles are not diplomacy which is obvious to everyone except Netanyahu, Ben-gavir and Smotrich.
I'm quite a placid guy and detest war but, with an objective hat on I'm starting to question the notion that 'Israel has a right to exist' when its current government is so keen to destabilise itself and attack absolutely everyone that shares a border bar Jordan, risking full scale war in the process. Missiles are not diplomacy which is obvious to everyone except Netanyahu, Ben-gavir and Smotrich.
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Son of Mathonwy
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Re: gaza conflict
Unfortunately there are many more who see missiles as diplomacy, in Israel, the US and Europe.Danno wrote: ↑Sun Jun 15, 2025 5:04 am The only reason it still exists is because the US wants am ally in the middle east. None of Israel's neighbours want it there and it does nothing to endear itself to them or the wider world.
I'm quite a placid guy and detest war but, with an objective hat on I'm starting to question the notion that 'Israel has a right to exist' when its current government is so keen to destabilise itself and attack absolutely everyone that shares a border bar Jordan, risking full scale war in the process. Missiles are not diplomacy which is obvious to everyone except Netanyahu, Ben-gavir and Smotrich.
https://responsiblestatecraft.org/europ ... el-attack/
It's amazing. Israel currently occupies land taken from all four of its neighbours, albeit Gaza and the West Bank are now considered to be part of the Palestinian State (by most of the world) rather than land stolen from Egypt and Jordan, respectively. It's a Western nation, armed to the teeth, and (unlike most Western nations) using those arms to the full (which is, perhaps not coincidentally, a boon to the US Military-Industrial complex - and similarly to Germany's).
The UK should cut it off from Western life-support until it behaves like a civilised country. Instead (for all our hand-wringing and inconsequential sanctions) we arm it, train its soldiers, give it intelligence and logistical support and would no doubt leap to 'her' defence if it ever looked to be in genuine danger. We support Israel and have taken no credible action to deter it from committing the atrocity of the century.