Stoic Bouncebackability speaks:

Moderator: Puja

Post Reply
User avatar
Puja
Site Admin
Posts: 5938
Joined: Tue Feb 09, 2016 9:16 pm

Stoic Bouncebackability speaks:

Post by Puja »

On Caluori wrote:I think it's probably over a year ago, I was getting sent footage of him and starting to get reports of him and his development plan," said Borthwick.

"He's a player that I think has a point of difference."

“I think he could certainly feature this autumn,” the England head coach said. “He has been on the radar for a considerable period of time. It was over a year ago that I started getting sent footage from [the RFU’s] Conor O’Shea, Mark Mapletoft and Jonathan Pendlebury. They were talking about him among a group of other players on the pathway.”

“How brilliant is it that we’ve got exciting players like that around,” Borthwick said.

“You’ve got young kids ­talking about them and wanting to be them. I think that’s absolutely wonder­ful. Henry ­Pollock is another ­example. There’s ­incredible talent in the team. Noah’s been showing that ­ability ­throughout his pathway experience. Like every player there are always bits to improve which I think is the really exciting part.”
.
On TWillis wrote:“Tom told me his decision late last week, gave me a call and talked about some of the reasons [why] he made the decision he has made to play in the future overseas. That was a private conversation so I am not going into those reasons but he knows how highly I rate him as a player and a person and I wished him well.

"I think he also understands why I have decided all the time we have should be invested in players who are going to be at the World Cup in two years’ time. We are aiming to win a World Cup for England, we want to win now and we want to win that World Cup in two years’ time.

“Tom is not going to be part of that World Cup, given the decision he has made and he understands that, he understands the decision I made,” Borthwick said. “He thought long and hard and found it a very tough decision to make so I wished him well. I think he’s a wonderful rugby player and a great bloke.

“I’ve talked about the importance of the number of times a team gets to play together, and the situation with England that the players are spread over a number of clubs. A handful of nations have that. Other nations have just a few clubs that they come from. The time we have together is crucial.

“I have talked to you about the number of Test matches we have between now and the World Cup. I want us to win the World Cup but I also want us to win now. I am not trying to make a differentiation. The decision has to be that we invest in players who will be in the team for the future.

“My job is to then focus on who is going to be ­playing for England to win the World Cup in two years’ time. I think the situation is really clear and I’d be surprised if anyone thinks too differently to the way I am thinking. The time we have together is crucial.”
.
On Ilione wrote:He’s fantastic over the ball, stealing ball and not conceding penalties,” Borthwick said. “He’s the best I can see at stealing the ball and doing it in a way that means the referee rewards him and doesn’t give penalties against him, which is terrific. That’s hugely valuable.

“I think he also has a powerful carry, particularly a tight carry through tight defences. Most back-row forwards will carry a little bit wider, he’ll carry tight. I refer you to the Premiership final, the carry he made in the opposition 22 carrying through traffic. That’s a prime example of the type of carrier he is. That is what he brings.”
.
On The Inevitable Fazlet Question wrote:“Owen and I have spoken regularly throughout his time back in England and when he was in France,” ­Borthwick said. “I enjoy chatting to him and he’s got a great rugby brain. I think he’s been very clear that he wants to get back into the rhythm of playing for his club and enjoy his rugby again after an injury‑disrupted year. We’re only a handful of games in to this season so I don’t think it’s a conversation for right now.”

Puja
Backist Monk
User avatar
Oakboy
Posts: 1798
Joined: Wed Feb 10, 2016 9:42 am

Re: Stoic Bouncebackability speaks:

Post by Oakboy »

All reasonable enough.
User avatar
Which Tyler
Posts: 4393
Joined: Tue Feb 09, 2016 8:43 pm
Location: Tewkesbury
Contact:

Re: Stoic Bouncebackability speaks:

Post by Which Tyler »

Callouri's not even had the chance to get 2nd match syndrome!
No need to rush him in, next year is plenty soon enough if he's still doing well.
We also have an A side we're putting out again now.
Last edited by Which Tyler on Mon Oct 20, 2025 9:43 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Danno
Posts: 1437
Joined: Sun Feb 19, 2017 9:41 pm

Re: Stoic Bouncebackability speaks:

Post by Danno »

Which Tyler wrote: Mon Oct 20, 2025 9:37 pm Callouri's not even had the chance to get 2nd match syndrome!
Agreed, it's mad that he's even there as an apprentice at the moment. We're not scratching around for back three players like Wales are
User avatar
Oakboy
Posts: 1798
Joined: Wed Feb 10, 2016 9:42 am

Re: Stoic Bouncebackability speaks:

Post by Oakboy »

Danno wrote: Mon Oct 20, 2025 9:42 pm
Which Tyler wrote: Mon Oct 20, 2025 9:37 pm Callouri's not even had the chance to get 2nd match syndrome!
Agreed, it's mad that he's even there as an apprentice at the moment. We're not scratching around for back three players like Wales are
Yes and no. IF he's better than the rest (no matter how good they are currently perceived to be) why would you not want him in? Having him on the fringe for comparison seems fair enough if only to plan the management of his development.
fivepointer
Posts: 1268
Joined: Wed Feb 10, 2016 3:42 pm

Re: Stoic Bouncebackability speaks:

Post by fivepointer »

No harm in bringing him in and having a look. Good experience for him and a chance for SB & Co to weigh him up. Just on the little i've seen its clear the lad has got serious potential.

Perfectly possible he'll be involved in one of the two A team games.
User avatar
Puja
Site Admin
Posts: 5938
Joined: Tue Feb 09, 2016 9:16 pm

Re: Stoic Bouncebackability speaks:

Post by Puja »

Oakboy wrote: Tue Oct 21, 2025 8:07 am
Danno wrote: Mon Oct 20, 2025 9:42 pm
Which Tyler wrote: Mon Oct 20, 2025 9:37 pm Callouri's not even had the chance to get 2nd match syndrome!
Agreed, it's mad that he's even there as an apprentice at the moment. We're not scratching around for back three players like Wales are
Yes and no. IF he's better than the rest (no matter how good they are currently perceived to be) why would you not want him in? Having him on the fringe for comparison seems fair enough if only to plan the management of his development.
Having him in as an apprentice, absolutely - why would you not want to add to his development, show him the levels he needs to be aiming for, and have him learn off all these great players and coaches? Same for involving him with the A team - low pressure introduction to high-level representative rugby.

Talk about capping him fully this autumn though is madness. He's 1 and a bit games into his senior rugby career - it's risking a disaster and permanent damage to his confidence and development.

Puja
Backist Monk
twitchy
Posts: 640
Joined: Fri Feb 12, 2016 9:04 am

Re: Stoic Bouncebackability speaks:

Post by twitchy »

They are pretty good at assessing what players can handle though. Being a big, athletically gifted winger is probably one of the easier positions to make the step-up early. Obviously, a big part of england's gameplan is doing those tactical cross field kicks and he is tailor made for this so if they think he can handle it, let's get him involved.
Epaminondas Pules
Posts: 1418
Joined: Tue Feb 09, 2016 10:19 pm

Re: Stoic Bouncebackability speaks:

Post by Epaminondas Pules »

We've had age grade players training with the senior squad for years. Sometimes in the apprentice role, and most of the time just there without anyone reporting about it. Caluori will probably not be alone in terms of age grade players spending time in camp this autumn. However the media hype train will have almost forced a narrative to be released. Marcus Smith was the same back in 2018 after a handful of games as an 18 year old.

The main thing for Caluori is he's getting game time at the top club level, as is Bracken, which will do them wonders in terms of development. Exceedingly rarely the player is exceptional and forces their way in, but mostly it is injury and circumstance and they manage to grab it with both hands.
Post Reply