EGM

[Son of Mathonwy]

Difficult to comment as there are so many uncertainties although most of the ways this could play out look pretty shitty. To add to the WRU's appalling actions Y11 appear to be betraying the Ospreys but we don't know for sure.

Still, on the bright side, WOL's new paywall means that I can't waste much time reading about it.

[newgalesurf]

Thought WRU had 21 days to announce EGM after proposal submitted

[Sandydragon]

Difficult to comment as there are so many uncertainties although most of the ways this could play out look pretty shitty. To add to the WRU's appalling actions Y11 appear to be betraying the Ospreys but we don't know for sure.

Still, on the bright side, WOL's new paywall means that I can't waste much time reading about it.

It’s a good point ref Y11. If the regional scrapping is halted, surely their position within the Ospreys becomes, if not untenable, then certainly very difficult.

[Sandydragon]

Thought WRU had 21 days to announce EGM after proposal submitted

I wonder if they have formally submitted the request yet, or if they are suggesting that 30 plus clubs have signed whatever document is needed and they will submit after the six nations?

[Son of Mathonwy]

Difficult to comment as there are so many uncertainties although most of the ways this could play out look pretty shitty. To add to the WRU's appalling actions Y11 appear to be betraying the Ospreys but we don't know for sure.

Still, on the bright side, WOL's new paywall means that I can't waste much time reading about it.

It’s a good point ref Y11. If the regional scrapping is halted, surely their position within the Ospreys becomes, if not untenable, then certainly very difficult.

The only way Y11 might not be slaughtering/asset stripping the Ospreys is if they genuinely want to run 2 teams in Wales and are making that part of the negotiations with the WRU. But that seems unlikely.

If the EGM stops the region-culling (which seems unlikely now it's after the 6N), Y11 may well be hated by Ospreys fans but the fans have no power to get rid of them.

[normanski]

Still, on the bright side, WOL's new paywall means that I can't waste much time reading about it.

The pay walls at WoL and on TV are another nail in the coffin of Welsh rugby. For people living outside of Wales, WoL was the only place to really keep in touch with rugby on a daily basis. No news online means fewer supporters in the grounds.

In recent years, the WoL pages were littered with pop ups and ads. Try going out of story to go back to the homepage and it would take forever. In the meantime the ads were right in your face

J B G Thomas must be turning in his grave!

[Son of Mathonwy]

Difficult to comment as there are so many uncertainties although most of the ways this could play out look pretty shitty. To add to the WRU's appalling actions Y11 appear to be betraying the Ospreys but we don't know for sure.

Still, on the bright side, WOL's new paywall means that I can't waste much time reading about it.

It’s a good point ref Y11. If the regional scrapping is halted, surely their position within the Ospreys becomes, if not untenable, then certainly very difficult.

The only way Y11 might not be slaughtering/asset stripping the Ospreys is if they genuinely want to run 2 teams in Wales and are making that part of the negotiations with the WRU. But that seems unlikely.

If the EGM stops the region-culling (which seems unlikely now it's after the 6N), Y11 may well be hated by Ospreys fans but the fans have no power to get rid of them.

Confirmation that the WRU and Y11 intend to kill the Ospreys (if the Cardiff deal goes ahead).

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union ... qz4nj80yqo

Village idiots.

[UKHamlet]

I no more trust the clubs than I do the WRU. The clubs are a bunch of rank amateurs who have been fucking up Welsh rugby forever. The WRU are corporate robots who do not understand Welsh rugby. We're in the shit. Caught between the devil and the deep blue sea. My biggest concern is if Y11 can shaft the Ospreys, what's to stop them doing it to Cardiff sometime down the line? This needs to be stopped, but we NEED to put a funding model in place that services the regions adequately. All four of them. The Ospreys and the Scarlets shat the bed over funding a little while back, so there is a certain amount of responsibility resting in their nest. Hard questions need to be asked of the WRU. Uppermost in my mind is, why, when revenues are clearly the equal of the IRFU, can we not support our regions at a similar level? Where has the money gone, and why can't we redirect it back to the pro game in Wales? Why don't we have proper pathways in place for proper player development? Why are Cardiff still being allowed to act like an old boys network, where face fitting is more important than skill sets? There are many more. Welsh rugby is a swamp. It needs to be rebuilt from the ground up.

[Son of Mathonwy]

I no more trust the clubs than I do the WRU. The clubs are a bunch of rank amateurs who have been fucking up Welsh rugby forever. The WRU are corporate robots who do not understand Welsh rugby. We're in the shit. Caught between the devil and the deep blue sea. My biggest concern is if Y11 can shaft the Ospreys, what's to stop them doing it to Cardiff sometime down the line? This needs to be stopped, but we NEED to put a funding model in place that services the regions adequately. All four of them. The Ospreys and the Scarlets shat the bed over funding a little while back, so there is a certain amount of responsibility resting in their nest. Hard questions need to be asked of the WRU. Uppermost in my mind is, why, when revenues are clearly the equal of the IRFU, can we not support our regions at a similar level? Where has the money gone, and why can't we redirect it back to the pro game in Wales? Why don't we have proper pathways in place for proper player development? Why are Cardiff still being allowed to act like an old boys network, where face fitting is more important than skill sets? There are many more. Welsh rugby is a swamp. It needs to be rebuilt from the ground up.

Is that for the unions only or does that include regional revenue too? Given his much more successful the Irish clubs are and how much bigger their crowds are I would have thought their revenue is quite a bit better than ours. (I have no figures to back this up though ).

Clearly Y11 have no loyalty whatsoever and Cardiff should expect none from them. However the WRU would never let Cardiff die, they'd just step in again if Y11 walked away. I guess there is a danger that Y11 might have some bigger target or priority than Cardiff and would run Cardiff as a support for that. No sign of that at the moment though.

The fundamental problem here is that the WRU will give the west Wales franchise to the Scarlets if Y11 buy Cardiff. Ultimately it's the WRU's decision, Y11 are just their paid assassins.

NB since it will not be cheap to shut the Ospreys down, especially if the fans stop coming, I wonder how much cash the WRU are burning in order to sweeten the deal (or how cheaply are they selling Cardiff)?

Yeah, we need a funding model for the 4 regions. 2+2 still seems like the best plan to me.

[Son of Mathonwy]

Looks like the cash cow is on its last legs.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c78x5878dzgo

[Tuco Ramirez]

I no more trust the clubs than I do the WRU. The clubs are a bunch of rank amateurs who have been fucking up Welsh rugby forever. The WRU are corporate robots who do not understand Welsh rugby. We're in the shit. Caught between the devil and the deep blue sea. My biggest concern is if Y11 can shaft the Ospreys, what's to stop them doing it to Cardiff sometime down the line? This needs to be stopped, but we NEED to put a funding model in place that services the regions adequately. All four of them. The Ospreys and the Scarlets shat the bed over funding a little while back, so there is a certain amount of responsibility resting in their nest. Hard questions need to be asked of the WRU. Uppermost in my mind is, why, when revenues are clearly the equal of the IRFU, can we not support our regions at a similar level? Where has the money gone, and why can't we redirect it back to the pro game in Wales? Why don't we have proper pathways in place for proper player development? Why are Cardiff still being allowed to act like an old boys network, where face fitting is more important than skill sets? There are many more. Welsh rugby is a swamp. It needs to be rebuilt from the ground up.

Without the amateur clubs there would be NO PLAYERS as in ZERO so they need some input. Why are Cardiff in the conversation? They were bankrupt - it all stinks.

[UKHamlet]

I no more trust the clubs than I do the WRU. The clubs are a bunch of rank amateurs who have been fucking up Welsh rugby forever. The WRU are corporate robots who do not understand Welsh rugby. We're in the shit. Caught between the devil and the deep blue sea. My biggest concern is if Y11 can shaft the Ospreys, what's to stop them doing it to Cardiff sometime down the line? This needs to be stopped, but we NEED to put a funding model in place that services the regions adequately. All four of them. The Ospreys and the Scarlets shat the bed over funding a little while back, so there is a certain amount of responsibility resting in their nest. Hard questions need to be asked of the WRU. Uppermost in my mind is, why, when revenues are clearly the equal of the IRFU, can we not support our regions at a similar level? Where has the money gone, and why can't we redirect it back to the pro game in Wales? Why don't we have proper pathways in place for proper player development? Why are Cardiff still being allowed to act like an old boys network, where face fitting is more important than skill sets? There are many more. Welsh rugby is a swamp. It needs to be rebuilt from the ground up.

Without the amateur clubs there would be NO PLAYERS as in ZERO so they need some input. Why are Cardiff in the conversation? They were bankrupt - it all stinks.

They weren't bankrupt for a start off. They were in administration. I'm not actually sure if they entered administration, in fact. Besides, the failings of the financial backers of Cardiff Rugby does not reflect on the club itself. Positing that there is no need for a club in the capital city of Wales, as you seem to be implying, is arrant nonsense.

[Tuco Ramirez]

I no more trust the clubs than I do the WRU. The clubs are a bunch of rank amateurs who have been fucking up Welsh rugby forever. The WRU are corporate robots who do not understand Welsh rugby. We're in the shit. Caught between the devil and the deep blue sea. My biggest concern is if Y11 can shaft the Ospreys, what's to stop them doing it to Cardiff sometime down the line? This needs to be stopped, but we NEED to put a funding model in place that services the regions adequately. All four of them. The Ospreys and the Scarlets shat the bed over funding a little while back, so there is a certain amount of responsibility resting in their nest. Hard questions need to be asked of the WRU. Uppermost in my mind is, why, when revenues are clearly the equal of the IRFU, can we not support our regions at a similar level? Where has the money gone, and why can't we redirect it back to the pro game in Wales? Why don't we have proper pathways in place for proper player development? Why are Cardiff still being allowed to act like an old boys network, where face fitting is more important than skill sets? There are many more. Welsh rugby is a swamp. It needs to be rebuilt from the ground up.

Without the amateur clubs there would be NO PLAYERS as in ZERO so they need some input. Why are Cardiff in the conversation? They were bankrupt - it all stinks.

They weren't bankrupt for a start off. They were in administration. I'm not actually sure if they entered administration, in fact. Besides, the failings of the financial backers of Cardiff Rugby does not reflect on the club itself. Positing that there is no need for a club in the capital city of Wales, as you seem to be implying, is arrant nonsense.

Where did i say that? Are Leinster called Dublin RFC?

[UKHamlet]

Without the amateur clubs there would be NO PLAYERS as in ZERO so they need some input. Why are Cardiff in the conversation? They were bankrupt - it all stinks.

They weren't bankrupt for a start off. They were in administration. I'm not actually sure if they entered administration, in fact. Besides, the failings of the financial backers of Cardiff Rugby does not reflect on the club itself. Positing that there is no need for a club in the capital city of Wales, as you seem to be implying, is arrant nonsense.

Where did i say that? Are Leinster called Dublin RFC?

I'm not sure that statement could be more irrelevant. Leinster is a region. Cardiff is effectively a region. Even the catchment area is geopolitically known as the Cardiff Metropolitan Area.

[UKHamlet]

They weren't bankrupt for a start off. They were in administration. I'm not actually sure if they entered administration, in fact. Besides, the failings of the financial backers of Cardiff Rugby does not reflect on the club itself. Positing that there is no need for a club in the capital city of Wales, as you seem to be implying, is arrant nonsense.

Where did i say that? Are Leinster called Dublin RFC?

I'm not sure that statement could be more irrelevant. Leinster is a region. Cardiff is effectively a region. Even the catchment area is geopolitically known as the Cardiff Metropolitan Area.

By the way, it includes Bridgend in the West, which should rightfully be part of the Cardiff region. And Newport for that matter.

[Tuco Ramirez]

Where did i say that? Are Leinster called Dublin RFC?

I'm not sure that statement could be more irrelevant. Leinster is a region. Cardiff is effectively a region. Even the catchment area is geopolitically known as the Cardiff Metropolitan Area.

By the way, it includes Bridgend in the West, which should rightfully be part of the Cardiff region. And Newport for that matter.

I appreciate you are being facetious, but the sense of entitlement by many Cardiff people is a sight to behold!

[Son of Mathonwy]

As originally intended, Cardiff should never have been anything other than Cardiff. A city-region.

The WRU should have worked harder to keep the Celtic Warriors alive, like it did with the Dragons and Cardiff in recent years*.

* hard to believe that a few years later it's actively killing a healthy region.

[Sandydragon]

Where did i say that? Are Leinster called Dublin RFC?

I'm not sure that statement could be more irrelevant. Leinster is a region. Cardiff is effectively a region. Even the catchment area is geopolitically known as the Cardiff Metropolitan Area.

By the way, it includes Bridgend in the West, which should rightfully be part of the Cardiff region. And Newport for that matter.

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