Changes v Italy

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hugh_woatmeigh wrote:Terrible bench selection as usual. I cannot believe Jackson has been dropped entirely. It's just baffling. How have we gone from having too much cover at 10 to none at all.
I'm happy with Horne covering 10
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OptimisticJock wrote:
hugh_woatmeigh wrote:Terrible bench selection as usual. I cannot believe Jackson has been dropped entirely. It's just baffling. How have we gone from having too much cover at 10 to none at all.
I'm happy with Horne covering 10
Car crash at international level. I'm not. It has never worked.
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Matt Ha wrote:Team's out. Only change to starting XV is Visser. Subs are 16 McInally17 Sutherland (uncapped) 18 Low 19 Swinson 20 Wilson 21 Hidalgo-Clyne 22 Horne 23 Lamont
I know I have probably been the most vocal of my opposition to Wilson on here but I just don't get it. I really don't, his biggest contribution to Scotland was nearly getting sent off.

Swinson isn't a great replacement IMO. He offers little impact.

SH-C whilst I like him is out of form.

Lamont is just past it at international level. I honestly would pick a few a head of him.

Horne over Jackson is really harsh, he did a very passable job out of position against Wales. Seems VC doesn't rate him and sees cover at 12 as more important than FB cover.
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I would have Jackson over Slamont and Toolis over Swinson. Wilson I don't get. With him and Swinson on one of them is bound to do something idiotic.
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Bench is gash again :x
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Yup, with the exception of McInally and Horne that is really an underwhelming bench. I think SHC could have a positive impact but he always comes on too late, if at all. Would have preferred Scott over Lamont as Taylor can cover the wings.
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Matt Ha wrote:Yup, with the exception of McInally and Horne that is really an underwhelming bench. I think SHC could have a positive impact but he always comes on too late, if at all. Would have preferred Scott over Lamont as Taylor can cover the wings.
Gut feeling is that Jackson or Weir/Scott gives a better mix than Horne/Lamont. Maybe Scott isn't quite right.
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I was so excited about the 6 nations...

Clermont never actually won the Heineken with VC did they?
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Mikey Brown wrote:I was so excited about the 6 nations...

Clermont never actually won the Heineken with VC did they?
Come on, a naff bench isn't the end of the world, and look on the bright side, the stats tell us that Seymour and Visser are two of the most prolific try scorers in international rugby at the moment.
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Matt Ha wrote:
Mikey Brown wrote:I was so excited about the 6 nations...

Clermont never actually won the Heineken with VC did they?
Come on, a naff bench isn't the end of the world, and look on the bright side, the stats tell us that Seymour and Visser are two of the most prolific try scorers in international rugby at the moment.
It is because other teams are pulling away from us in the last 20 mins.

There are simple fixes to make the most of our limited resources, VC's selections have been underwhelming for a while IMO. Toolis and Strauss are the blatant ones. Jackson is an absolute luxury as he covers 15 & 10.
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I've thought recently that a limit to the number of subs might be really beneficial to the game. Perhaps subconsciously I just think it would be good for Scotland. Obviously it would get very messy regarding front rows and blood/concussion subs.

It really is about the 23 now.

It's as if this bench was selected without even looking at the makeup of the starting side. Wilson is a useful (as useful as he can be) bencher as he can add some energy and covers several positions but I'm past my brief phase of thinking he can be an international player. He can carry the ball I suppose so it's a step up from Cowan but I'd worry about him having to replace (a, so far, underwhelming) Denton. I keep hearing about Horne playing fullback but when did he last do it? I really like Swinson too and he is an admirable worker but just doesn't seem to make a dent at this level.
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hugh_woatmeigh wrote:
Matt Ha wrote:
Mikey Brown wrote:I was so excited about the 6 nations...

Clermont never actually won the Heineken with VC did they?
Come on, a naff bench isn't the end of the world, and look on the bright side, the stats tell us that Seymour and Visser are two of the most prolific try scorers in international rugby at the moment.
It is because other teams are pulling away from us in the last 20 mins.

There are simple fixes to make the most of our limited resources, VC's selections have been underwhelming for a while IMO. Toolis and Strauss are the blatant ones. Jackson is an absolute luxury as he covers 15 & 10.
Not sure on that really. Last three games, we blew a line out throw to the back when we had taken the lead in the last 10 minutes, England never looked like they were going to have to pull away from anything for almost the full 80, and Wales pretty much took it to us for the entire second half... That we scored in... well into the final 20 minutes. I wouldn't be levelling any of those losses at the bench.

It appears I'm in danger of taking rugby union seriously though, so, I know you don't agree, and I get why.

I'm too old, and been watching us for far too long to get angry about it, but not old enough to remember us ever really being very good at it.

I am forever cursed to be the only good thing to get shat out of the 1980's.

On topic, I really do rate our first XV. Results be fucked, I honestly think it's one of the best teams we've had in years, and years.
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Edinburgh in Exile wrote:
hugh_woatmeigh wrote:
Matt Ha wrote:
Come on, a naff bench isn't the end of the world, and look on the bright side, the stats tell us that Seymour and Visser are two of the most prolific try scorers in international rugby at the moment.
It is because other teams are pulling away from us in the last 20 mins.

There are simple fixes to make the most of our limited resources, VC's selections have been underwhelming for a while IMO. Toolis and Strauss are the blatant ones. Jackson is an absolute luxury as he covers 15 & 10.
Not sure on that really. Last three games, we blew a line out throw to the back when we had taken the lead in the last 10 minutes, England never looked like they were going to have to pull away from anything for almost the full 80, and Wales pretty much took it to us for the entire second half... That we scored in... well into the final 20 minutes. I wouldn't be levelling any of those losses at the bench.

It appears I'm in danger of taking rugby union seriously though, so, I know you don't agree, and I get why.

I'm too old, and been watching us for far too long to get angry about it, but not old enough to remember us ever really being very good at it.

I am forever cursed to be the only good thing to get shat out of the 1980's
.

On topic, I really do rate our first XV. Results be fucked, I honestly think it's one of the best teams we've had in years, and years.
As if you were born in the 80's you old fart!
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Bench isnt great but I'm not sure there are that many options. Horne adds a bit of energy wherever he comes on and if he does play can at least do a Russell impression. Swinson isnt ideal but Im not sure who is better
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Jaco's the ref for tomorrow. That's surely a plus for us.
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sharvey44 wrote:Jaco's the ref for tomorrow. That's surely a plus for us.
Aye, think that cat is fairly lucky for us isn't he? One of you lot will know, but am I right in thinking the year we beat Samoa, and Australia down there, he reffed all of our games on that tour?

And here Lurch... Early 80's... But still the 80's you giant zip.
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