More on Syria

[Sandydragon]

Covering their heinies, for sure. America played a significant role in that war and it was another disaster. A humanitarian disaster, I mean. These wars are not disasters for America itself, but rather highly profitable and geostrategically advantageous. But they didn't get quite what they came for this time and are very bitter toward messiuers Putin, Assad & Rouhani for stopping them.

So out comes the standard post invasion TORTURE CHAMBERS DISCOVERED! headlines, so that they can pretend they're the good ol' boys fighting the Nazis all over again. Strange how little interest the US mainstream media showed in the mass graves the terrorists left behind in Aleppo, however. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 96066.html

Of course Amesty International play the Whitehouses tune. Perhaps time to accept that the Assad regime is a lot more repressive than you thought it was?

[rowan]

Covering their heinies, for sure. America played a significant role in that war and it was another disaster. A humanitarian disaster, I mean. These wars are not disasters for America itself, but rather highly profitable and geostrategically advantageous. But they didn't get quite what they came for this time and are very bitter toward messiuers Putin, Assad & Rouhani for stopping them.

So out comes the standard post invasion TORTURE CHAMBERS DISCOVERED! headlines, so that they can pretend they're the good ol' boys fighting the Nazis all over again. Strange how little interest the US mainstream media showed in the mass graves the terrorists left behind in Aleppo, however. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 96066.html

Of course Amesty International play the Whitehouses tune. Perhaps time to accept that the Assad regime is a lot more repressive than you thought it was?

Amnesty International is based in London and Britain is very much America's chief partner in crime. Time for you to accept that this is imperialism and all of the mass murder and destruction of nations that this entails. But that would take a conscience and sense of morality...

[Sandydragon]

Yeah , yeah, yeah. It's all lies, mr Assad is a lovely man, I've been to Syria so I know. Changing the subject because I don't like the facts presented, a good old fashioned tactic.

Reminds me of stalins useful idiots.

[rowan]

Latest on the El-Bab incident:

Unfortunately, our military, while carrying out strikes on terrorists, was guided by coordinates given to them by our Turkish partners, and Turkish servicemen should not have been present on those coordinates, and therefore these unintended strikes took place," Peskov told a conference call with reporters.

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/kremli ... sCatID=352

In fact, Turkish servicemen should not be in Syria at all, of course...

[rowan]

Surprise, surprise . . .

Amnesty International itself has openly admitted that the summation of the report was fabricated in the United Kingdom at Amnesty International’s office, using a process they call “forensic architecture,” in which the lack of actual, physical, photographic, and video evidence, is replaced by 3D animations and sound effects created by designers hired by Amnesty International.

Amnesty Hired Special Effects Experts to Fabricate “Evidence”

In a video produced by Amnesty International accompanying their report, titled, “Inside Saydnaya: Syria’s Torture Prison,” the narrator admits in its opening seconds that Amnesty International possesses no actual evidence regarding the prison.

There are almost no pictures of its exterior [except satellite images] and none from inside. And what happens within its walls is cloaked in secrecy, until now.

Viewers are initially led to believe evidence has emerged, exposing what took place within the prison’s walls, but the narrator continues by explaining:

We’ve devised a unique way of revealing what life is like inside a torture prison. And we’ve done it by talking to people who were there and have survived its horrors…

…and using their recollections and the testimony of others, we’ve build an interactive 3D model which can take you for the first time inside Saydnaya.

The narrator then explains:

In a unique collaboration, Amnesty International has teamed up with “Forensic Architecture” of Goldsmiths, University of London, to reconstruct both the sound and architecture of Saydnaya prison, and to do it using cutting-edge digital technology to create a model.

In other words, the summation of Amnesty International’s presentation was not accumulated from facts and evidence collected in Syria, but instead fabricated entirely in London using 3D models, animations, and audio software, based on the admittedly baseless accounts of alleged witnesses who claim to have been in or otherwise associated with the prison.


Eyal Weizman, director of “Forensic Architecture,” would admit that “memory” alone was the basis of both his collaboration with Amnesty International, and thus, the basis for Amnesty’s 48 page report:



http://www.globalresearch.ca/fake-news- ... uk/5573847

[Donny osmond]

Surprise, surprise . . .

Amnesty International itself has openly admitted that the summation of the report was fabricated in the United Kingdom at Amnesty International’s office, using a process they call “forensic architecture,” in which the lack of actual, physical, photographic, and video evidence, is replaced by 3D animations and sound effects created by designers hired by Amnesty International.

Amnesty Hired Special Effects Experts to Fabricate “Evidence”

In a video produced by Amnesty International accompanying their report, titled, “Inside Saydnaya: Syria’s Torture Prison,” the narrator admits in its opening seconds that Amnesty International possesses no actual evidence regarding the prison.

There are almost no pictures of its exterior [except satellite images] and none from inside. And what happens within its walls is cloaked in secrecy, until now.

Viewers are initially led to believe evidence has emerged, exposing what took place within the prison’s walls, but the narrator continues by explaining:

We’ve devised a unique way of revealing what life is like inside a torture prison. And we’ve done it by talking to people who were there and have survived its horrors…

…and using their recollections and the testimony of others, we’ve build an interactive 3D model which can take you for the first time inside Saydnaya.

The narrator then explains:

In a unique collaboration, Amnesty International has teamed up with “Forensic Architecture” of Goldsmiths, University of London, to reconstruct both the sound and architecture of Saydnaya prison, and to do it using cutting-edge digital technology to create a model.

In other words, the summation of Amnesty International’s presentation was not accumulated from facts and evidence collected in Syria, but instead fabricated entirely in London using 3D models, animations, and audio software, based on the admittedly baseless accounts of alleged witnesses who claim to have been in or otherwise associated with the prison.


Eyal Weizman, director of “Forensic Architecture,” would admit that “memory” alone was the basis of both his collaboration with Amnesty International, and thus, the basis for Amnesty’s 48 page report:



http://www.globalresearch.ca/fake-news- ... uk/5573847

Have you actually read Amnesty's report or are you just reproducing what globalresearch want you to reproduce?

[rowan]

Surprise, surprise . . .

Amnesty International itself has openly admitted that the summation of the report was fabricated in the United Kingdom at Amnesty International’s office, using a process they call “forensic architecture,” in which the lack of actual, physical, photographic, and video evidence, is replaced by 3D animations and sound effects created by designers hired by Amnesty International.

Amnesty Hired Special Effects Experts to Fabricate “Evidence”

In a video produced by Amnesty International accompanying their report, titled, “Inside Saydnaya: Syria’s Torture Prison,” the narrator admits in its opening seconds that Amnesty International possesses no actual evidence regarding the prison.

There are almost no pictures of its exterior [except satellite images] and none from inside. And what happens within its walls is cloaked in secrecy, until now.

Viewers are initially led to believe evidence has emerged, exposing what took place within the prison’s walls, but the narrator continues by explaining:

We’ve devised a unique way of revealing what life is like inside a torture prison. And we’ve done it by talking to people who were there and have survived its horrors…

…and using their recollections and the testimony of others, we’ve build an interactive 3D model which can take you for the first time inside Saydnaya.

The narrator then explains:

In a unique collaboration, Amnesty International has teamed up with “Forensic Architecture” of Goldsmiths, University of London, to reconstruct both the sound and architecture of Saydnaya prison, and to do it using cutting-edge digital technology to create a model.

In other words, the summation of Amnesty International’s presentation was not accumulated from facts and evidence collected in Syria, but instead fabricated entirely in London using 3D models, animations, and audio software, based on the admittedly baseless accounts of alleged witnesses who claim to have been in or otherwise associated with the prison.


Eyal Weizman, director of “Forensic Architecture,” would admit that “memory” alone was the basis of both his collaboration with Amnesty International, and thus, the basis for Amnesty’s 48 page report:



http://www.globalresearch.ca/fake-news- ... uk/5573847

Have you read it? Did anyone here who was spouting this obvious propaganda as gospel read the 48 page report first?

So who's the hypocrite here?

[canta_brian]

Surprise, surprise . . .

Amnesty International itself has openly admitted that the summation of the report was fabricated in the United Kingdom at Amnesty International’s office, using a process they call “forensic architecture,” in which the lack of actual, physical, photographic, and video evidence, is replaced by 3D animations and sound effects created by designers hired by Amnesty International.

Amnesty Hired Special Effects Experts to Fabricate “Evidence”

In a video produced by Amnesty International accompanying their report, titled, “Inside Saydnaya: Syria’s Torture Prison,” the narrator admits in its opening seconds that Amnesty International possesses no actual evidence regarding the prison.

There are almost no pictures of its exterior [except satellite images] and none from inside. And what happens within its walls is cloaked in secrecy, until now.

Viewers are initially led to believe evidence has emerged, exposing what took place within the prison’s walls, but the narrator continues by explaining:

We’ve devised a unique way of revealing what life is like inside a torture prison. And we’ve done it by talking to people who were there and have survived its horrors…

…and using their recollections and the testimony of others, we’ve build an interactive 3D model which can take you for the first time inside Saydnaya.

The narrator then explains:

In a unique collaboration, Amnesty International has teamed up with “Forensic Architecture” of Goldsmiths, University of London, to reconstruct both the sound and architecture of Saydnaya prison, and to do it using cutting-edge digital technology to create a model.

In other words, the summation of Amnesty International’s presentation was not accumulated from facts and evidence collected in Syria, but instead fabricated entirely in London using 3D models, animations, and audio software, based on the admittedly baseless accounts of alleged witnesses who claim to have been in or otherwise associated with the prison.


Eyal Weizman, director of “Forensic Architecture,” would admit that “memory” alone was the basis of both his collaboration with Amnesty International, and thus, the basis for Amnesty’s 48 page report:



http://www.globalresearch.ca/fake-news- ... uk/5573847

Have you actually read Amnesty's report or are you just reproducing what globalresearch want you to reproduce?

I believe that what Rowan is saying si that because amnesty weren't invited to film inside the prison by Assad the testimony of all the people they have spoken to must be false.

[rowan]

Surprise, surprise . . .

Amnesty International itself has openly admitted that the summation of the report was fabricated in the United Kingdom at Amnesty International’s office, using a process they call “forensic architecture,” in which the lack of actual, physical, photographic, and video evidence, is replaced by 3D animations and sound effects created by designers hired by Amnesty International.

Amnesty Hired Special Effects Experts to Fabricate “Evidence”

In a video produced by Amnesty International accompanying their report, titled, “Inside Saydnaya: Syria’s Torture Prison,” the narrator admits in its opening seconds that Amnesty International possesses no actual evidence regarding the prison.

There are almost no pictures of its exterior [except satellite images] and none from inside. And what happens within its walls is cloaked in secrecy, until now.

Viewers are initially led to believe evidence has emerged, exposing what took place within the prison’s walls, but the narrator continues by explaining:

We’ve devised a unique way of revealing what life is like inside a torture prison. And we’ve done it by talking to people who were there and have survived its horrors…

…and using their recollections and the testimony of others, we’ve build an interactive 3D model which can take you for the first time inside Saydnaya.

The narrator then explains:

In a unique collaboration, Amnesty International has teamed up with “Forensic Architecture” of Goldsmiths, University of London, to reconstruct both the sound and architecture of Saydnaya prison, and to do it using cutting-edge digital technology to create a model.

In other words, the summation of Amnesty International’s presentation was not accumulated from facts and evidence collected in Syria, but instead fabricated entirely in London using 3D models, animations, and audio software, based on the admittedly baseless accounts of alleged witnesses who claim to have been in or otherwise associated with the prison.


Eyal Weizman, director of “Forensic Architecture,” would admit that “memory” alone was the basis of both his collaboration with Amnesty International, and thus, the basis for Amnesty’s 48 page report:



http://www.globalresearch.ca/fake-news- ... uk/5573847

Have you actually read Amnesty's report or are you just reproducing what globalresearch want you to reproduce?

I believe that what Rowan is saying si that because amnesty weren't invited to film inside the prison by Assad the testimony of all the people they have spoken to must be false.

The testimony of the people who are evidently alive and well and telling us all about it was not the basis of the articles which grabbed the mainstream American and British media's headlines the other day. Those reports clearly implied torture chambers have been uncovered. That was a deception - blatant propaganda, as I told you.

[canta_brian]

Have you actually read Amnesty's report or are you just reproducing what globalresearch want you to reproduce?

I believe that what Rowan is saying si that because amnesty weren't invited to film inside the prison by Assad the testimony of all the people they have spoken to must be false.

The testimony of the people who are evidently alive and well and telling us all about it was not the basis of the articles which grabbed the mainstream American and British media's headlines the other day. Those reports clearly implied torture chambers have been uncovered. That was a deception - blatant propaganda, as I told you.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michel_Chossudovsky

Common conspiracy theories are frequently advanced, and stated as facts by authors including Chossudovsky himself on his website Global Research. A few examples are: The New World Order (conspiracy theory),[18][19] 9/11 conspiracy theories, such as the assertion that the attack on the Twin Towers was a False flag operation,[20][21] The HAARP conspiracy theory, that the installation is a "secret weapon used for weather modification, electromagnetic warfare",[22][23](Also included by Chossudovsky in one of his books.), Global warming conspiracy theory,[24][25] Charlie Hebdo shooting conspiracy theories,[26][27] and the FEMA camps conspiracy theory.[28][29]

I think I will stick with believing amnesty international over a bunch of Internet crackpots thanks.

[rowan]

You will continue believing Amnesty International even though its own report did not state torture chambers had actually been uncovered, and that this was simply a misleading spin put on the report by the notorious propaganda industry known as the mainstream media - you know, the same notorious propaganda industry that backed the invasion of Iraq (more than 90% of it in the US).

Oooookay

[Donny osmond]

Surprise, surprise . . .

Amnesty International itself has openly admitted that the summation of the report was fabricated in the United Kingdom at Amnesty International’s office, using a process they call “forensic architecture,” in which the lack of actual, physical, photographic, and video evidence, is replaced by 3D animations and sound effects created by designers hired by Amnesty International.

Amnesty Hired Special Effects Experts to Fabricate “Evidence”

In a video produced by Amnesty International accompanying their report, titled, “Inside Saydnaya: Syria’s Torture Prison,” the narrator admits in its opening seconds that Amnesty International possesses no actual evidence regarding the prison.

There are almost no pictures of its exterior [except satellite images] and none from inside. And what happens within its walls is cloaked in secrecy, until now.

Viewers are initially led to believe evidence has emerged, exposing what took place within the prison’s walls, but the narrator continues by explaining:

We’ve devised a unique way of revealing what life is like inside a torture prison. And we’ve done it by talking to people who were there and have survived its horrors…

…and using their recollections and the testimony of others, we’ve build an interactive 3D model which can take you for the first time inside Saydnaya.

The narrator then explains:

In a unique collaboration, Amnesty International has teamed up with “Forensic Architecture” of Goldsmiths, University of London, to reconstruct both the sound and architecture of Saydnaya prison, and to do it using cutting-edge digital technology to create a model.

In other words, the summation of Amnesty International’s presentation was not accumulated from facts and evidence collected in Syria, but instead fabricated entirely in London using 3D models, animations, and audio software, based on the admittedly baseless accounts of alleged witnesses who claim to have been in or otherwise associated with the prison.


Eyal Weizman, director of “Forensic Architecture,” would admit that “memory” alone was the basis of both his collaboration with Amnesty International, and thus, the basis for Amnesty’s 48 page report:



http://www.globalresearch.ca/fake-news- ... uk/5573847

Have you read it? Did anyone here who was spouting this obvious propaganda as gospel read the 48 page report first?

So who's the hypocrite here?

Its immediately clear that neither you nor global research really know what the word summation means.

In their report, Amnesty rely on testimony given by interview. Not either photographs or animations. They may have put together some kind of presentation using animation by way of trying to get an idea of what the prison looks like, but - this is the important bit so ay attention - their report into extra judicial murder doesn't seek to use this evidence *at all*, it simply uses the words of people who have actually seen/experienced the prison to try to understand what it happening there.

We all know what weight you give to actual eye witness statements rather than long range speculation.... EXCEPT you wont give it in this case, which rather shows you up, yet again.

So, just who is the hypocrite here?[emoji23]

This is from the methodology section of the paper:

The research for this report took place between December 2015 and December 2016. Amnesty International
interviewed 31 men who were detained at Saydnaya (also spelt Sednaya) between 2011 and 2015.1 Of
these, 20 were detained in the prison’s “red building”: five who were part of the Syrian military at the time of
their arrest and 15 who were civilians. The remaining 11 were detained in the prison’s “white building”,
including nine who were part of the Syrian military at the time of arrest and two who were civilians. As
explained below, the majority of those detained in the red building of Saydnaya since 2011 are civilians, and
the majority of those detained in the white building are soldiers or officers in the Syrian military.2
Amnesty International also interviewed four prison officials or guards who previously worked at Saydnaya;
three former judges, one of whom served in the Military Court in the al-Mezzeh neighbourhood of
Damascus;3
three doctors who worked at Tishreen Military Hospital; four Syrian lawyers; 17 international and
national experts on detention in Syria, such as investigators, analysts and monitors; and 22 family members
of people who were or still are believed to be detained at Saydnaya. The majority of these interviews took
place in person in southern Turkey. The remaining interviews were conducted by telephone or through other
remote means with interviewees still in Syria, or with individuals based in Lebanon, Jordan, European
countries and the USA.
In total, Amnesty International interviewed 84 people for this report. In many cases, two or more interviews
were conducted with key witnesses to evaluate the consistency and veracity of the information they provided.
In all but two cases, interviews with witnesses were conducted separately. Several interviewees shared their
testimonies with Amnesty International at significant personal risk. \0

[rowan]

Surprise, surprise . . .

Amnesty International itself has openly admitted that the summation of the report was fabricated in the United Kingdom at Amnesty International’s office, using a process they call “forensic architecture,” in which the lack of actual, physical, photographic, and video evidence, is replaced by 3D animations and sound effects created by designers hired by Amnesty International.

Amnesty Hired Special Effects Experts to Fabricate “Evidence”

In a video produced by Amnesty International accompanying their report, titled, “Inside Saydnaya: Syria’s Torture Prison,” the narrator admits in its opening seconds that Amnesty International possesses no actual evidence regarding the prison.

There are almost no pictures of its exterior [except satellite images] and none from inside. And what happens within its walls is cloaked in secrecy, until now.

Viewers are initially led to believe evidence has emerged, exposing what took place within the prison’s walls, but the narrator continues by explaining:

We’ve devised a unique way of revealing what life is like inside a torture prison. And we’ve done it by talking to people who were there and have survived its horrors…

…and using their recollections and the testimony of others, we’ve build an interactive 3D model which can take you for the first time inside Saydnaya.

The narrator then explains:

In a unique collaboration, Amnesty International has teamed up with “Forensic Architecture” of Goldsmiths, University of London, to reconstruct both the sound and architecture of Saydnaya prison, and to do it using cutting-edge digital technology to create a model.

In other words, the summation of Amnesty International’s presentation was not accumulated from facts and evidence collected in Syria, but instead fabricated entirely in London using 3D models, animations, and audio software, based on the admittedly baseless accounts of alleged witnesses who claim to have been in or otherwise associated with the prison.


Eyal Weizman, director of “Forensic Architecture,” would admit that “memory” alone was the basis of both his collaboration with Amnesty International, and thus, the basis for Amnesty’s 48 page report:



http://www.globalresearch.ca/fake-news- ... uk/5573847

Have you read it? Did anyone here who was spouting this obvious propaganda as gospel read the 48 page report first?

So who's the hypocrite here?

Its immediately clear that neither you nor global research really know what the word summation means.

In their report, Amnesty rely on testimony given by interview. Not either photographs or animations. They may have put together some kind of presentation using animation by way of trying to get an idea of what the prison looks like, but - this is the important bit so ay attention - their report into extra judicial murder doesn't seek to use this evidence *at all*, it simply uses the words of people who have actually seen/experienced the prison to try to understand what it happening there.

We all know what weight you give to actual eye witness statements rather than long range speculation.... EXCEPT you wont give it in this case, which rather shows you up, yet again.

So, just who is the hypocrite here?[emoji23]

This is from the methodology section of the paper:

The research for this report took place between December 2015 and December 2016. Amnesty International
interviewed 31 men who were detained at Saydnaya (also spelt Sednaya) between 2011 and 2015.1 Of
these, 20 were detained in the prison’s “red building”: five who were part of the Syrian military at the time of
their arrest and 15 who were civilians. The remaining 11 were detained in the prison’s “white building”,
including nine who were part of the Syrian military at the time of arrest and two who were civilians. As
explained below, the majority of those detained in the red building of Saydnaya since 2011 are civilians, and
the majority of those detained in the white building are soldiers or officers in the Syrian military.2
Amnesty International also interviewed four prison officials or guards who previously worked at Saydnaya;
three former judges, one of whom served in the Military Court in the al-Mezzeh neighbourhood of
Damascus;3
three doctors who worked at Tishreen Military Hospital; four Syrian lawyers; 17 international and
national experts on detention in Syria, such as investigators, analysts and monitors; and 22 family members
of people who were or still are believed to be detained at Saydnaya. The majority of these interviews took
place in person in southern Turkey. The remaining interviews were conducted by telephone or through other
remote means with interviewees still in Syria, or with individuals based in Lebanon, Jordan, European
countries and the USA.
In total, Amnesty International interviewed 84 people for this report. In many cases, two or more interviews
were conducted with key witnesses to evaluate the consistency and veracity of the information they provided.
In all but two cases, interviews with witnesses were conducted separately. Several interviewees shared their
testimonies with Amnesty International at significant personal risk. \0

Exactly, it's all based on hearsay. No torture chambers were uncovered at all, though this was plainly the gist of the headline-grabbing reports circulated by the US & British mainstream media. Actually, though I doubted them from the start, because I am well-acqauinted with US & British war-time propaganda (they get lots of practice), I found it a little curious that this story wasn't really picked up elsewhere. Turkish TV news completely ignored it, in fact, yet Turkey is one of the nations which was determined to remove Assad. You just need to use your intelligence, take a neutral and open-minded approach, and put two and two together on these matters. This tactic has been used time and again as America leaves a vast swathe of destroyed nations and assassinated leaders across the Middle East, taking over the resources, imposing puppet leaderships, and leaving its troops behind as the inevitable rebels and terrorists show up to scrap for control of what's left.

[Stones of granite]

Have you read it? Did anyone here who was spouting this obvious propaganda as gospel read the 48 page report first?

So who's the hypocrite here?

Its immediately clear that neither you nor global research really know what the word summation means.

In their report, Amnesty rely on testimony given by interview. Not either photographs or animations. They may have put together some kind of presentation using animation by way of trying to get an idea of what the prison looks like, but - this is the important bit so ay attention - their report into extra judicial murder doesn't seek to use this evidence *at all*, it simply uses the words of people who have actually seen/experienced the prison to try to understand what it happening there.

We all know what weight you give to actual eye witness statements rather than long range speculation.... EXCEPT you wont give it in this case, which rather shows you up, yet again.

So, just who is the hypocrite here?[emoji23]

This is from the methodology section of the paper:

The research for this report took place between December 2015 and December 2016. Amnesty International
interviewed 31 men who were detained at Saydnaya (also spelt Sednaya) between 2011 and 2015.1 Of
these, 20 were detained in the prison’s “red building”: five who were part of the Syrian military at the time of
their arrest and 15 who were civilians. The remaining 11 were detained in the prison’s “white building”,
including nine who were part of the Syrian military at the time of arrest and two who were civilians. As
explained below, the majority of those detained in the red building of Saydnaya since 2011 are civilians, and
the majority of those detained in the white building are soldiers or officers in the Syrian military.2
Amnesty International also interviewed four prison officials or guards who previously worked at Saydnaya;
three former judges, one of whom served in the Military Court in the al-Mezzeh neighbourhood of
Damascus;3
three doctors who worked at Tishreen Military Hospital; four Syrian lawyers; 17 international and
national experts on detention in Syria, such as investigators, analysts and monitors; and 22 family members
of people who were or still are believed to be detained at Saydnaya. The majority of these interviews took
place in person in southern Turkey. The remaining interviews were conducted by telephone or through other
remote means with interviewees still in Syria, or with individuals based in Lebanon, Jordan, European
countries and the USA.
In total, Amnesty International interviewed 84 people for this report. In many cases, two or more interviews
were conducted with key witnesses to evaluate the consistency and veracity of the information they provided.
In all but two cases, interviews with witnesses were conducted separately. Several interviewees shared their
testimonies with Amnesty International at significant personal risk. \0

Exactly, it's all based on hearsay. No torture chambers were uncovered at all, though this was plainly the gist of the headline-grabbing reports circulated by the US & British mainstream media. Actually, though I doubted them from the start, because I am well-acqauinted with US & British war-time propaganda (they get lots of practice), I found it a little curious that this story wasn't really picked up elsewhere. Turkish TV news completely ignored it, in fact, yet Turkey is one of the nations which was determined to remove Assad. You just need to use your intelligence, take a neutral and open-minded approach, and put two and two together on these matters. This tactic has been used time and again as America leaves a vast swathe of destroyed nations and assassinated leaders across the Middle East, taking over the resources, imposing puppet leaderships, and leaving its troops behind as the inevitable rebels and terrorists show up to scrap for control of what's left.

Wait a minute - testimony from eye witnesses, personally involved, and obtained by personal interview is hearsay?

You're a laugh a fucking minute. No wonder no other board will tolerate you, you fuckwit.

[rowan]

Its immediately clear that neither you nor global research really know what the word summation means.

In their report, Amnesty rely on testimony given by interview. Not either photographs or animations. They may have put together some kind of presentation using animation by way of trying to get an idea of what the prison looks like, but - this is the important bit so ay attention - their report into extra judicial murder doesn't seek to use this evidence *at all*, it simply uses the words of people who have actually seen/experienced the prison to try to understand what it happening there.

We all know what weight you give to actual eye witness statements rather than long range speculation.... EXCEPT you wont give it in this case, which rather shows you up, yet again.

So, just who is the hypocrite here?[emoji23]

This is from the methodology section of the paper:

Exactly, it's all based on hearsay. No torture chambers were uncovered at all, though this was plainly the gist of the headline-grabbing reports circulated by the US & British mainstream media. Actually, though I doubted them from the start, because I am well-acqauinted with US & British war-time propaganda (they get lots of practice), I found it a little curious that this story wasn't really picked up elsewhere. Turkish TV news completely ignored it, in fact, yet Turkey is one of the nations which was determined to remove Assad. You just need to use your intelligence, take a neutral and open-minded approach, and put two and two together on these matters. This tactic has been used time and again as America leaves a vast swathe of destroyed nations and assassinated leaders across the Middle East, taking over the resources, imposing puppet leaderships, and leaving its troops behind as the inevitable rebels and terrorists show up to scrap for control of what's left.

Wait a minute - testimony from eye witnesses, personally involved, and obtained by personal interview is hearsay?

You're a laugh a fucking minute. No wonder no other board will tolerate you, you fuckwit.

Clearly you missed the point - as usual. Once again, the gist of the headline-grabbing articles circulated by the American and British mainstream press the other day (and ignored by practically everyone else, it seems), was clearly that torture chambers had been uncovered. This has turned out to be untrue - surprise! surprise! The testimony itself is unsubstantiated and therefore hearsay. These people are all alive and well, right? Of course, you could easily get a bunch of people to say the same about many other countries allied to the US - Saudi Arabia, Israel, Turkey, Egypt and so on. But that's not happening, is it? Wonder why...

[morepork]

Pretty windy at the top of the goal posts today.

[Stones of granite]

Exactly, it's all based on hearsay. No torture chambers were uncovered at all, though this was plainly the gist of the headline-grabbing reports circulated by the US & British mainstream media. Actually, though I doubted them from the start, because I am well-acqauinted with US & British war-time propaganda (they get lots of practice), I found it a little curious that this story wasn't really picked up elsewhere. Turkish TV news completely ignored it, in fact, yet Turkey is one of the nations which was determined to remove Assad. You just need to use your intelligence, take a neutral and open-minded approach, and put two and two together on these matters. This tactic has been used time and again as America leaves a vast swathe of destroyed nations and assassinated leaders across the Middle East, taking over the resources, imposing puppet leaderships, and leaving its troops behind as the inevitable rebels and terrorists show up to scrap for control of what's left.

Wait a minute - testimony from eye witnesses, personally involved, and obtained by personal interview is hearsay?

You're a laugh a fucking minute. No wonder no other board will tolerate you, you fuckwit.

Clearly you missed the point - as usual. Once again, the gist of the headline-grabbing articles circulated by the American and British mainstream press the other day (and ignored by practically everyone else, it seems), was clearly that torture chambers had been uncovered. This has turned out to be untrue - surprise! surprise! The testimony itself is unsubstantiated and therefore hearsay. These people are all alive and well, right? Of course, you could easily get a bunch of people to say the same about many other countries allied to the US - Saudi Arabia, Israel, Turkey, Egypt and so on. But that's not happening, is it? Wonder why...

No, I didn't miss the point at all. Witnesses giving independent, consistent testimony is substantiation in itself. It's only apoliogists for murdering bastards that dismiss it as hearsay.

[rowan]

Wait a minute - testimony from eye witnesses, personally involved, and obtained by personal interview is hearsay?

You're a laugh a fucking minute. No wonder no other board will tolerate you, you fuckwit.

Clearly you missed the point - as usual. Once again, the gist of the headline-grabbing articles circulated by the American and British mainstream press the other day (and ignored by practically everyone else, it seems), was clearly that torture chambers had been uncovered. This has turned out to be untrue - surprise! surprise! The testimony itself is unsubstantiated and therefore hearsay. These people are all alive and well, right? Of course, you could easily get a bunch of people to say the same about many other countries allied to the US - Saudi Arabia, Israel, Turkey, Egypt and so on. But that's not happening, is it? Wonder why...

No, I didn't miss the point at all. Witnesses giving independent, consistent testimony is substantiation in itself. It's only apoliogists for murdering bastards that dismiss it as hearsay.

Apologists for murdering bastards would be those who accept the empire's propaganda when it is clearly designed only to demonize their victims and thereby 'justify' their own far greater war crimes - which includes the destruction of entire nations and deaths of millions...

[Donny osmond]

Well, the bbc article that highlighted the amnesty report on the 13000 deaths doesnt mention uncovering torture chambers at all. Not even once. Nothing like a straw man to settle down with on a friday night.

[rowan]

Well, the bbc article that highlighted the amnesty report on the 13000 deaths doesnt mention uncovering torture chambers at all. Not even once. Nothing like a straw man to settle down with on a friday night.

That's the impression the article was designed to give with the blazing headlines and maps and accusations of torture, etc. But, yes, if you pay attention to detail, it becomes evident they are only going on the basis of their interviews with Assad's enemies. Most likely candidates for that would be the Muslim Brotherhood - widely regarded as a terrorist organization.

[WaspInWales]

Seems a weak argument to me rowan.

How can they physically find the evidence when they're being denied access to the potential site where the evidence is? Under the circumstances, the best they can do is compile a report based of testimonies from people who were proven to be there and have suffered as a result of their time there, or, people who have perpetrated the crimes and/or witnessed them.

I appreciate you read the news in quite a few languages rowan and you have travelled the world, which gives you authority over many of us, but were you there? Were you there in the prison?

These witnesses were there and I have to take their word over yours and your insistence that the evidence has been fabricated is not really going to convince me in this instance.

I've noticed the Syrian government has since rejected the Amnesty report. Is this something you wilfully accept, or can you question any potential wrongdoing on their part considering the lack of detail in their rejection?

It's one thing to say something, but another to prove it.

The Amnesty report included evidence from many people over a prolonger period. The Syrian government's rejection included a few lines from a government official and no-one else.

[Donny osmond]

Well, the bbc article that highlighted the amnesty report on the 13000 deaths doesnt mention uncovering torture chambers at all. Not even once. Nothing like a straw man to settle down with on a friday night.

That's the impression the article was designed to give with the blazing headlines and maps and accusations of torture, etc. But, yes, if you pay attention to detail, it becomes evident they are only going on the basis of their interviews with Assad's enemies. Most likely candidates for that would be the Muslim Brotherhood - widely regarded as a terrorist organization.

Torture? Literally the only mention of torture is a link to an interview with someone who was actually tortured. Torture isn't mentioned in the headline or in the body of the article. Not once.

Blazing headlines? What would be an appropriate headline to introduce extra judicial mass murder?

The headline is "Syria conflict: Thousands hanged at Saydnaya prison, Amnesty says"

What the hell is wrong with maps?

Filthy anti-Syrian uk/us backed terrorists get what they deserve...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-38885901

Just thought I would bump this. The original has been buried by another vast technicolour yawn of waffle as usual.

[rowan]

Surprise, surprise . . .

Amnesty International itself has openly admitted that the summation of the report was fabricated in the United Kingdom at Amnesty International’s office, using a process they call “forensic architecture,” in which the lack of actual, physical, photographic, and video evidence, is replaced by 3D animations and sound effects created by designers hired by Amnesty International.

Amnesty Hired Special Effects Experts to Fabricate “Evidence”

In a video produced by Amnesty International accompanying their report, titled, “Inside Saydnaya: Syria’s Torture Prison,” the narrator admits in its opening seconds that Amnesty International possesses no actual evidence regarding the prison.

There are almost no pictures of its exterior [except satellite images] and none from inside. And what happens within its walls is cloaked in secrecy, until now.

Viewers are initially led to believe evidence has emerged, exposing what took place within the prison’s walls, but the narrator continues by explaining:

We’ve devised a unique way of revealing what life is like inside a torture prison. And we’ve done it by talking to people who were there and have survived its horrors…

…and using their recollections and the testimony of others, we’ve build an interactive 3D model which can take you for the first time inside Saydnaya.

The narrator then explains:

In a unique collaboration, Amnesty International has teamed up with “Forensic Architecture” of Goldsmiths, University of London, to reconstruct both the sound and architecture of Saydnaya prison, and to do it using cutting-edge digital technology to create a model.

In other words, the summation of Amnesty International’s presentation was not accumulated from facts and evidence collected in Syria, but instead fabricated entirely in London using 3D models, animations, and audio software, based on the admittedly baseless accounts of alleged witnesses who claim to have been in or otherwise associated with the prison.


Eyal Weizman, director of “Forensic Architecture,” would admit that “memory” alone was the basis of both his collaboration with Amnesty International, and thus, the basis for Amnesty’s 48 page report:



http://www.globalresearch.ca/fake-news- ... uk/5573847

The accusations are not new, they were being reported last year, the year before that, and the year before that. Basically, since America and its cronies decided to wreck the country like they did Iraq and Libya. So it wasn't news at all, let alone headline news.

So I think we can all agree that:

- there is no actual evidence of torture chambers

- the accusations are based on the testimonies of Assad's enemies

- similar accusations were made again Saddam and Gaddafi

- similar accusations have been made against American allies Saudi Arabia, Israel, Turkey and Egypt, among others

- such accusations are neither reason nor justification for military intervention in another country

[rowan]

Surprise, surprise . . .

Amnesty International itself has openly admitted that the summation of the report was fabricated in the United Kingdom at Amnesty International’s office, using a process they call “forensic architecture,” in which the lack of actual, physical, photographic, and video evidence, is replaced by 3D animations and sound effects created by designers hired by Amnesty International.

Amnesty Hired Special Effects Experts to Fabricate “Evidence”

In a video produced by Amnesty International accompanying their report, titled, “Inside Saydnaya: Syria’s Torture Prison,” the narrator admits in its opening seconds that Amnesty International possesses no actual evidence regarding the prison.

There are almost no pictures of its exterior [except satellite images] and none from inside. And what happens within its walls is cloaked in secrecy, until now.

Viewers are initially led to believe evidence has emerged, exposing what took place within the prison’s walls, but the narrator continues by explaining:

We’ve devised a unique way of revealing what life is like inside a torture prison. And we’ve done it by talking to people who were there and have survived its horrors…

…and using their recollections and the testimony of others, we’ve build an interactive 3D model which can take you for the first time inside Saydnaya.

The narrator then explains:

In a unique collaboration, Amnesty International has teamed up with “Forensic Architecture” of Goldsmiths, University of London, to reconstruct both the sound and architecture of Saydnaya prison, and to do it using cutting-edge digital technology to create a model.

In other words, the summation of Amnesty International’s presentation was not accumulated from facts and evidence collected in Syria, but instead fabricated entirely in London using 3D models, animations, and audio software, based on the admittedly baseless accounts of alleged witnesses who claim to have been in or otherwise associated with the prison.


Eyal Weizman, director of “Forensic Architecture,” would admit that “memory” alone was the basis of both his collaboration with Amnesty International, and thus, the basis for Amnesty’s 48 page report:



http://www.globalresearch.ca/fake-news- ... uk/5573847

The accusations are not new, they were being reported last year, the year before that, and the year before that. Basically, since America and its cronies decided to wreck the country like they did Iraq and Libya. So it wasn't news at all, let alone headline news.

So I think we can all agree that:

- there is no actual evidence of torture chambers

- the accusations are based on the testimonies of Assad's enemies

- similar accusations were made again Saddam and Gaddafi

- similar accusations have been made against American allies Saudi Arabia, Israel, Turkey and Egypt, among others

- such accusations are neither reason nor justification for military intervention in another country

So which part do you disagree with?

[Donny osmond]

That is *quite* the strawman you've constructed.

Glad to see, by your abandonment of the subject, you tacitly agree that the amnesty report can be considered legit. Shame you moral compass lets you turn the other cheek so easily, but hey ho.

Once again, the pleasure has been all mine!!