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Re: gaza conflict

Posted: Mon May 13, 2024 11:34 pm
by Son of Mathonwy
Sandydragon wrote: Mon May 13, 2024 8:09 pm And frankly our entry deserves nil points.
The general standard was low but ours was particularly bad.

Re: gaza conflict

Posted: Tue May 14, 2024 2:32 am
by morepork
Eurovision. It has come to this.

(sarc BTW. I love shitty pop music)

Re: gaza conflict

Posted: Wed May 15, 2024 10:54 am
by paddy no 11
Sandydragon wrote: Mon May 13, 2024 8:09 pm Or alternatively people liked the song and had some sympathy with the singer who was getting constant crap from other performers all week. None of the fighting is her fault.

Since many Jews aren’t necessarily Zionist outside of Israel is there any reason to suggest that they would have automatically voted for Israel?

And frankly our entry deserves nil points.
Plenty to say the Israeli entourage were the agitators - unless we were there we Don't really know

Not her fault but she has said she can't wait to go home and participate in the ethnic cleansing........

Re: gaza conflict

Posted: Wed May 15, 2024 10:56 am
by paddy no 11
morepork wrote: Tue May 14, 2024 2:32 am Eurovision. It has come to this.

(sarc BTW. I love shitty pop music)
aren't even in Europe, let's have a Palestinian entry next year and a Palestinian state while we're at it

Re: gaza conflict

Posted: Wed May 15, 2024 8:27 pm
by Zhivago
Sandydragon wrote: Mon May 13, 2024 8:09 pm Or alternatively people liked the song and had some sympathy with the singer who was getting constant crap from other performers all week. None of the fighting is her fault.

Since many Jews aren’t necessarily Zionist outside of Israel is there any reason to suggest that they would have automatically voted for Israel?

And frankly our entry deserves nil points.
The truth is that there was obviously an organized, dedicated effort by Israel supporters to give their votes to Golan in the face of intense threats and hatred, and it clearly drew votes from many who don’t otherwise tune into the Eurovision each year.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-ge ... the-world/

Re: gaza conflict

Posted: Sat May 18, 2024 6:53 pm
by Son of Mathonwy
Marching for Gaza, and Jezza Corbyn of course. :D

Re: gaza conflict

Posted: Mon May 20, 2024 7:24 pm
by paddy no 11
ICC looking to issue international arrest warrants for bibi and heads of Hamas. Great

Re: gaza conflict

Posted: Wed May 22, 2024 9:30 am
by paddy no 11
Ireland and Norway formally recognise a Palestinian state, Spain to follow suit in next hour. Slovenia and Malta in the short term.

Not political heavyweights by any means

Re: gaza conflict

Posted: Wed May 22, 2024 11:30 am
by Son of Mathonwy
paddy no 11 wrote: Wed May 22, 2024 9:30 am Ireland and Norway formally recognise a Palestinian state, Spain to follow suit in next hour. Slovenia and Malta in the short term.

Not political heavyweights by any means
It's brilliant news.

Naturally the UK is quick to say that now is not the right time. Because the right time is when the USA say it's the right time. Which is probably never.

Re: gaza conflict

Posted: Wed May 22, 2024 3:54 pm
by paddy no 11
Son of Mathonwy wrote: Wed May 22, 2024 11:30 am
paddy no 11 wrote: Wed May 22, 2024 9:30 am Ireland and Norway formally recognise a Palestinian state, Spain to follow suit in next hour. Slovenia and Malta in the short term.

Not political heavyweights by any means
It's brilliant news.

Naturally the UK is quick to say that now is not the right time. Because the right time is when the USA say it's the right time. Which is probably never.
Macron could take a flyer on this, would be huge to have 1 of the large Central European states on board. Germany thinks 2 wrongs make a right and Britain in no rush to rescue their own cluster fuck from a 100 years ago

Australia could follow soon also

Re: gaza conflict

Posted: Wed May 22, 2024 4:22 pm
by Son of Mathonwy
paddy no 11 wrote: Wed May 22, 2024 3:54 pm
Son of Mathonwy wrote: Wed May 22, 2024 11:30 am
paddy no 11 wrote: Wed May 22, 2024 9:30 am Ireland and Norway formally recognise a Palestinian state, Spain to follow suit in next hour. Slovenia and Malta in the short term.

Not political heavyweights by any means
It's brilliant news.

Naturally the UK is quick to say that now is not the right time. Because the right time is when the USA say it's the right time. Which is probably never.
Macron could take a flyer on this, would be huge to have 1 of the large Central European states on board. Germany thinks 2 wrongs make a right and Britain in no rush to rescue their own cluster fuck from a 100 years ago

Australia could follow soon also
Germany supplies 30% of Israel's arms imports, so they will have nothing to do with this.

But there's a fair chance of a large number of non-western countries getting on board.

Re: gaza conflict

Posted: Wed May 22, 2024 4:40 pm
by Banquo
Son of Mathonwy wrote: Wed May 22, 2024 4:22 pm
paddy no 11 wrote: Wed May 22, 2024 3:54 pm
Son of Mathonwy wrote: Wed May 22, 2024 11:30 am
It's brilliant news.

Naturally the UK is quick to say that now is not the right time. Because the right time is when the USA say it's the right time. Which is probably never.
Macron could take a flyer on this, would be huge to have 1 of the large Central European states on board. Germany thinks 2 wrongs make a right and Britain in no rush to rescue their own cluster fuck from a 100 years ago

Australia could follow soon also
Germany supplies 30% of Israel's arms imports, so they will have nothing to do with this.

But there's a fair chance of a large number of non-western countries getting on board.
There's already 143 plus the latest, so most of the non west tbh

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internati ... _Palestine

Re: gaza conflict

Posted: Wed May 22, 2024 5:15 pm
by Son of Mathonwy
Banquo wrote: Wed May 22, 2024 4:40 pm
Son of Mathonwy wrote: Wed May 22, 2024 4:22 pm
paddy no 11 wrote: Wed May 22, 2024 3:54 pm

Macron could take a flyer on this, would be huge to have 1 of the large Central European states on board. Germany thinks 2 wrongs make a right and Britain in no rush to rescue their own cluster fuck from a 100 years ago

Australia could follow soon also
Germany supplies 30% of Israel's arms imports, so they will have nothing to do with this.

But there's a fair chance of a large number of non-western countries getting on board.
There's already 143 plus the latest, so most of the non west tbh

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internati ... _Palestine
You're absolutely right (what was I thinking?), it's really just the West who are lagging behind.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/artic ... -palestine

Re: gaza conflict

Posted: Fri May 24, 2024 3:37 pm
by paddy no 11
Icj says stop

Re: gaza conflict

Posted: Fri May 24, 2024 6:52 pm
by Son of Mathonwy
paddy no 11 wrote: Fri May 24, 2024 3:37 pm Icj says stop
Israel's obviously ignoring this. The US have already said that's fine.

Which will the UK support, Israel or international law?

Unfortunately, we know exactly which matters most to the UK.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/artic ... new-ruling

Re: gaza conflict

Posted: Mon May 27, 2024 10:15 pm
by paddy no 11
Starmer was terrible today, we have to work with our international partners.........he'll do whatever the yanks say.

Watched an hour of dispatches tonight, so much horror, a ceasefire can't happen soon enough

Re: gaza conflict

Posted: Fri May 31, 2024 7:13 pm
by paddy no 11
Joe must read this forum as he's just issued his own peace proposal

Speculation that it wasn't pre aligned with Netanyahu

Re: gaza conflict

Posted: Sat Jun 08, 2024 5:07 pm
by Son of Mathonwy
The deliberate erasure of a culture:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... olasticide

Re: gaza conflict

Posted: Tue Jun 11, 2024 11:08 am
by Son of Mathonwy
The UK is actively assisting Israel in its actions in Gaza:

https://www.declassifieduk.org/the-brit ... ombs-gaza/

Re: gaza conflict

Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2024 9:21 am
by Son of Mathonwy
According to this Lancet article, there could easily be another 10k Gazans buried in the rubble.

The 37k or so reported deaths were directly caused by Israeli action. But indirect deaths are likely to amount to a far higher figure (3 to 15 times higher in similar situations) leading to a very rough and conservative estimate of 186k:

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanc ... 3/fulltext

Re: gaza conflict

Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2024 5:11 pm
by Son of Mathonwy
I don't normally use the word but this is just evil:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/artic ... za-injured

Re: gaza conflict

Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2024 11:31 pm
by Son of Mathonwy
Time's passing. I'm wondering if Labour will make any changes from Tory policy re Gaza.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/artic ... srael-gaza

They said they were going to review the legality of arms sales to Israel. I wonder how that's progressing?

Re: gaza conflict

Posted: Fri Jul 19, 2024 6:03 pm
by Son of Mathonwy
Landmark ruling:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/artic ... ourt-finds
As well as ordering an end to the occupation as soon as possible, the court, which consists of 15 judges, said Israel must put an end to all unlawful acts, including ceasing all new settlement activity and repealing legislation that maintains the occupation, including that which discriminates against Palestinians or seeks to modify the demographic composition of any parts of the occupied territory.

Salam said reparations included restitution, compensation and/or satisfaction, defining the former as “Israel’s obligation to return the land and other immovable property, as well as all assets seized from any natural or legal person since its occupation started in 1967, and all cultural property and assets taken from Palestinians and Palestinian institutions, including archives and documents.

“It also requires the evacuation of all settlers from existing settlements and the dismantling of the parts of the wall constructed by Israel that are situated in the occupied Palestinian territory, as well as allowing all Palestinians displaced during the occupation to return to their original place of residence.”
And yes, it is apartheid.

It would be nice if the UK acted on this, as it claims to be a supporter of international law.

Re: gaza conflict

Posted: Fri Jul 19, 2024 6:47 pm
by Which Tyler
It's good that the ICJ have balls - if only they had teeth as well

Re: gaza conflict

Posted: Fri Jul 19, 2024 11:47 pm
by Son of Mathonwy
Which Tyler wrote: Fri Jul 19, 2024 6:47 pm It's good that the ICJ have balls - if only they had teeth as well
Yeah. I mean almost all of the ruling is obvious and has been for 57 years. It shouldn't even need to be spelled out.

But this will make it impossible for the UK deny*. (They'll ignore it instead.)


* Israel and the USA will, though.