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Wouldnt get capped today XV
Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2017 2:35 pm
by whatisthejava
Read on the BBC that 5 years ago we beat Australia with Tom Ryder on the bench, im wondering in the last 10 whats the worst capped XV we could come up with
1
2
3 Gav kerr
4 Matt Mustchin
5 Tom Ryder
6
7
8
9
10 G Tonks
11
12 NDL
13
14 D Fife
15
Re: Wouldnt get capped today XV
Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2017 3:01 pm
by Mikey Brown
Someone Gray at 7. Webster. Basically any of the centres except maybe Cairns if he had stayed fit. Did Callam at 8 get a cap?
Err... Berghan?
Re: Wouldnt get capped today XV
Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2017 3:08 pm
by whatisthejava
Mikey Brown wrote:Someone Gray at 7. Webster. Basically any of the centres except maybe Cairns if he had stayed fit. Did Callam at 8 get a cap?
Err... Berghan?
Diciknson at 3 was the worst TH , even worse than Gav Kerr
Rob Dewey was inspirational in his ability to run straight into contact and do nothing else
Re: Wouldnt get capped today XV
Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2017 3:25 pm
by hugh_woatmeigh
Bruce Douglas, Andrew Henderson, Scott McLeod. Wasn't there another crap Hamilton that played lock for Edinburgh and Scotland? No not Big jim... a lanky, skinnier blonde one.
Not so sure about Scott Gray - thought he was a good player.
Sam Pinder at 9.
Re: Wouldnt get capped today XV
Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2017 3:30 pm
by Mikey Brown
Craig Hamilton? You were almost there with Crap Hamilton.
Can't recall much of Gray to be fair. Just that we were whack back then and he still couldn't really break the side. Maybe that was a selection mistake.
Re: Wouldnt get capped today XV
Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2017 3:30 pm
by hugh_woatmeigh
Did we ever give Stevie Swindall a token cap? I don't think so...
Re: Wouldnt get capped today XV
Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2017 7:24 pm
by Cameo
I actually thought Webster was one of our better crap wingers. Glorious consolation try off a Godmanchester chip v NZ and a fondness for suicidal crash balls.
I'd add Grays on Hart to the 9 debate. Alex Cuthbert at 15.
Actually, looking back it is hard to dislike many of our past players. They almost all gave you hope when the first appeared and then tried their arses off for little reward
Re: Wouldnt get capped today XV
Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2017 7:32 pm
by hp18
whatisthejava wrote:Read on the BBC that 5 years ago we beat Australia with Tom Ryder on the bench, im wondering in the last 10 whats the worst capped XV we could come up with
1
2
3 Gav kerr
4 Matt Mustchin
5 Tom Ryder
6
7
8
9
10 Godman
11 Walker
12 Dewey
13 NDL
14 Danielli
15 Southwell
Re: Wouldnt get capped today XV
Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2017 9:35 pm
by Wylie Coyote
I remember a game in South Africa where Webster comprehensively outplayed his opposite man, a certain B Habana. The Springbok commentators were saying "Who is this guy?", a high point admittedly but by no means our worst winger.
I remember a certain Craig Moir of Northampton getting capped, Geech was asked "What made you select him?" The answer: workrate. Basically he was a grafter & nothing more.
Re: Wouldnt get capped today XV
Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2017 10:28 pm
by Mikey Brown
I guess an interesting question is also who from that era might actually look like a decent-ish player in this current setup.
I feel like Southwell for example wouldn't be the worst shout when there are other, competent, attacking threats around him.
Re: Wouldnt get capped today XV
Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2017 11:07 pm
by Cameo
hp18 wrote:whatisthejava wrote:Read on the BBC that 5 years ago we beat Australia with Tom Ryder on the bench, im wondering in the last 10 whats the worst capped XV we could come up with
1
2
3 Gav kerr
4 Matt Mustchin
5 Tom Ryder
6
7
8
9
10 Godman
11 Walker
12 Dewey
13 NDL
14 Danielli
15 Southwell
Morrison and Henderson get in ahead of those two centres for me. NDL was a step up on the competition. Dewy could have been decent but can't really argue.
Southwell looked so much better than he actually was
Re: Wouldnt get capped today XV
Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2017 11:18 pm
by af73
Wylie Coyote wrote:I remember a game in South Africa where Webster comprehensively outplayed his opposite man, a certain B Habana. The Springbok commentators were saying "Who is this guy?", a high point admittedly but by no means our worst winger.
I remember a certain Craig Moir of Northampton getting capped, Geech of Northampton was asked "What made you select him?" The answer: workrate. Basically he was a grafter & nothing more.
Fixed. Some proto-Gatland that Geech occasionally got away with (Beal on '97 Lions etc)
Re: Wouldnt get capped today XV
Posted: Tue Jun 13, 2017 4:55 am
by Adder
Southwell was hyped by some French coach as the best 15 in the world. Can't remember who though
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Re: Wouldnt get capped today XV
Posted: Tue Jun 13, 2017 6:32 am
by hp18
Adder wrote:Southwell was hyped by some French coach as the best 15 in the world. Can't remember who though
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Lievremont? Fairly sure he also said Scotland were the all blacks of the NH.
Re: Wouldnt get capped today XV
Posted: Tue Jun 13, 2017 7:09 am
by Matt Ha
hp18 wrote:Adder wrote:Southwell was hyped by some French coach as the best 15 in the world. Can't remember who though
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Lievremont? Fairly sure he also said Scotland were the all blacks of the NH.
What was he on at the time?
Re: Wouldnt get capped today XV
Posted: Tue Jun 13, 2017 7:25 am
by Adder
hp18 wrote:Adder wrote:Southwell was hyped by some French coach as the best 15 in the world. Can't remember who though
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Lievremont? Fairly sure he also said Scotland were the all blacks of the NH.
I can't remember, maybe one of the Lievremont brothers (not Thomas though).
Re: Wouldnt get capped today XV
Posted: Sat Jun 17, 2017 11:35 am
by switchskier
Graham Beveridge and Craig Smith anyone? Both good honest club players who would never have been capped for anyone else. Have to take issue with mad Matt though, he was very good in his limited caps.
Nikki Walker ahead of Webster for me and maybe Fergus Thompson for hooker (seems harsh given what injuries he suffered). Fly half seems ripe for reopening some old debates.
Who was that Aussie league centre that got fast tracked in but then disappeared? Ben Macdonald maybe?
Re: Wouldnt get capped today XV
Posted: Sat Jun 17, 2017 12:59 pm
by AL.
hp18 wrote:whatisthejava wrote:Read on the BBC that 5 years ago we beat Australia with Tom Ryder on the bench, im wondering in the last 10 whats the worst capped XV we could come up with
1
2
3 Gav kerr
4 Matt Mustchin
5 Tom Ryder
6
7
8
9
10 Godman
11 Walker
12 Dewey
13 NDL Marcus DiRollo
14 Danielli
15 Southwell
Surely?
Re: Wouldnt get capped today XV
Posted: Sat Jun 17, 2017 2:46 pm
by Big D
Bryce must be the hooker surely?
Re: Wouldnt get capped today XV
Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2017 10:12 am
by Big D
whatisthejava wrote:Read on the BBC that 5 years ago we beat Australia with Tom Ryder on the bench, im wondering in the last 10 whats the worst capped XV we could come up with
1 Traynor
2 Bryce
3 Gav kerr
4 Matt Mustchin
5 Tom Ryder
6 Low
7 Fusaro or Holmes - what ever happened to Alan MacDonald, we have had some decent 7s!
8 Sad to say Vernon
9 Hart
10 G Tonks
11[ b]Cuthbert, although IIRC he was capped at 15[/b]
12 NDL Dewey Ben MacDougall misses the 10 year window.
13 Grove
14 D Fife
15 Murchie
Bored at work. Best I could come up with.
Re: Wouldnt get capped today XV
Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2017 8:00 pm
by QwentyJ
switchskier wrote:Graham Beveridge and Craig Smith anyone? Both good honest club players who would never have been capped for anyone else. Have to take issue with mad Matt though, he was very good in his limited caps.
Nikki Walker ahead of Webster for me and maybe Fergus Thompson for hooker (seems harsh given what injuries he suffered). Fly half seems ripe for reopening some old debates.
Who was that Aussie league centre that got fast tracked in but then disappeared? Ben Macdonald maybe?
Ben MacDougall!
Re: Wouldnt get capped today XV
Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2017 8:42 pm
by Big D
Played in 2006. Misses the 10year window.
Re: Wouldnt get capped today XV
Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2017 10:24 pm
by General Zod
On si Webster - I always thought he was decent. There were plenty worse than him at the time. I felt that we could have done worse playing him at outside centre for a while, given some of the players we had available at the time. Think he scored against all 3 Southern Hemisphere teams for us, breaking his ankle once after scoring the opening try v Australia.
Re: Wouldnt get capped today XV
Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2017 5:44 am
by Cameo
General Zod wrote:On si Webster - I always thought he was decent. There were plenty worse than him at the time. I felt that we could have done worse playing him at outside centre for a while, given some of the players we had available at the time. Think he scored against all 3 Southern Hemisphere teams for us, breaking his ankle once after scoring the opening try v Australia.
Same, always looked a bit like he didnt know what he was doing but was a bit more dangerous than some of our backs
Re: Wouldnt get capped today XV
Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2017 11:21 am
by whatisthejava
General Zod wrote:On si Webster - I always thought he was decent. There were plenty worse than him at the time. I felt that we could have done worse playing him at outside centre for a while, given some of the players we had available at the time. Think he scored against all 3 Southern Hemisphere teams for us, breaking his ankle once after scoring the opening try v Australia.
Yep he did,
can anyone name a player since SW that has scored against all 3 SH teams while playing for Scotland
I think there is 1 but possibly 3 without googling
I think an intercept, and 2 tries in RWC