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Team for Georgia
Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2020 2:38 pm
by Numbers
Well I think we could afford to experiment a little in this game, I think it's quite important that we win this one so I think this is the team I would pick:
Wyn Jones
Dee
Francis
Ball
Davies
SLH
Navidi
Faletau
Webb
Patchell
Adams
Williams
Tompkins
Rees-Zammit
Holmes
Bench:
Smith
Parry
Brown
AWJ
Wainwright
Hardy
Sheedy
North
However, Pivac has apparently mentioned lots of changes so it could be a wholesale change.
Re: Team for Georgia
Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2020 9:22 pm
by Son of Mathonwy
Numbers wrote:Well I think we could afford to experiment a little in this game, I think it's quite important that we win this one so I think this is the team I would pick:
Wyn Jones
Dee
Francis
Ball
Davies
SLH
Navidi
Faletau
Webb
Patchell
Adams
Williams
Tompkins
Rees-Zammit
Holmes
Bench:
Smith
Parry
Brown
AWJ
Wainwright
Hardy
Sheedy
North
However, Pivac has apparently mentioned lots of changes so it could be a wholesale change.
Pivac's called up James Botham and Johnny McNicholl. I haven't noticed Botham but McNicholl was on fire on Saturday
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/54966413
Re: Team for Georgia
Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2020 9:22 am
by Son of Mathonwy
Why Botham not Ollie Griffiths? I guess the Dragons' Covid quarantine would rule him out?
Re: Team for Georgia
Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2020 9:37 am
by Numbers
Son of Mathonwy wrote:Numbers wrote:Well I think we could afford to experiment a little in this game, I think it's quite important that we win this one so I think this is the team I would pick:
Wyn Jones
Dee
Francis
Ball
Davies
SLH
Navidi
Faletau
Webb
Patchell
Adams
Williams
Tompkins
Rees-Zammit
Holmes
Bench:
Smith
Parry
Brown
AWJ
Wainwright
Hardy
Sheedy
North
However, Pivac has apparently mentioned lots of changes so it could be a wholesale change.
Pivac's called up James Botham and Johnny McNicholl. I haven't noticed Botham but McNicholl was on fire on Saturday
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/54966413
Botham has looked good for the Blues when he's played, I think he picked up a MOM award a few weeks ago, I would rather have Ollie Griffiths or Thomas Young but maybe they are unavailable.
Re: Team for Georgia
Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2020 10:40 pm
by Graigwen
We are playing Georgia, who are not at their best.
I am hoping for a lot of experimentation.
(It would have been a good game for Carre to get experience.....but.....)
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Re: Team for Georgia
Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2020 12:15 pm
by Graigwen
LRZ to start on one wing. Hopefully Josh Adams on the other to give him a game where he can actually use his attacking ability, he has been working very hard.
We have been unthreatening in the centre for ages, something has to change.
I am not convinced Biggar has been 100% fit.
We have been using Halfpenny at the breakdown, that suggests something very wrong with organisation.
Re: Team for Georgia
Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2020 2:17 pm
by Sandydragon
Son of Mathonwy wrote:
Why Botham not Ollie Griffiths? I guess the Dragons' Covid quarantine would rule him out?
Seriously gutted for Griffiths. He's a fine player who has terrible luck with injuries and now this.
Re: Team for Georgia
Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2020 4:06 pm
by Son of Mathonwy
Although I'd like to see Patchell and Sheedy, and LRZ and McNicholl and Tompkins all doing amazing attacking rugby, the important thing is for Wales to get it's tactics working. If (in Pivac's opinion) that takes another game with largely the same team, that's fine with me. Main priority is to get the best team to get our set piece functioning.
Re: Team for Georgia
Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2020 4:07 pm
by Son of Mathonwy
Sandydragon wrote:Son of Mathonwy wrote:
Why Botham not Ollie Griffiths? I guess the Dragons' Covid quarantine would rule him out?
Seriously gutted for Griffiths. He's a fine player who has terrible luck with injuries and now this.
Gutted for him, gutted for Wales.
Re: Team for Georgia
Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2020 4:11 pm
by Sandydragon
Son of Mathonwy wrote:Sandydragon wrote:Son of Mathonwy wrote:
Why Botham not Ollie Griffiths? I guess the Dragons' Covid quarantine would rule him out?
Seriously gutted for Griffiths. He's a fine player who has terrible luck with injuries and now this.
Gutted for him, gutted for Wales.
Aye, I thought Griffiths and Ellis Jenkins were going to emerge as our key flankers but both have had a terrible time with injuries.
Re: Team for Georgia
Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2020 4:15 pm
by Sandydragon
Son of Mathonwy wrote:Although I'd like to see Patchell and Sheedy, and LRZ and McNicholl and Tompkins all doing amazing attacking rugby, the important thing is for Wales to get it's tactics working. If (in Pivac's opinion) that takes another game with largely the same team, that's fine with me. Main priority is to get the best team to get our set piece functioning.
I largely agree with this. I don't want to see 12 changes which result in us scraping home and being really confused as to what just happened. I think there are some experiments that can take place and some players who can be rested, but I'd keep a lot of the same faces in there.
The only down side is that some of our key players have played in the last 3 games so might need a break.
Re: Team for Georgia
Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2020 9:46 pm
by Graigwen
According to the Western Mail I might get some of my wishes.
13 changes suggested by the never reliable paper:
"Reported Wales XV to face Georgia: L Williams; McNicholl, Tompkins, J Williams, Rees-Zammit; Sheedy, Hardy; Jones, Dee, Lee, Ball, Davies, Tipuric (capt), Botham, Wainwright."
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Re: Team for Georgia
Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2020 9:44 am
by Sandydragon
Graigwen wrote:According to the Western Mail I might get some of my wishes.
13 changes suggested by the never reliable paper:
"Reported Wales XV to face Georgia: L Williams; McNicholl, Tompkins, J Williams, Rees-Zammit; Sheedy, Hardy; Jones, Dee, Lee, Ball, Davies, Tipuric (capt), Botham, Wainwright."
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I read that last night as well. Really not sure about McNicholl, but given how much Adams has played I can see why he was rotated. That backline can do some damage and the front row is a strong one. I've never been sure about Seb Davies, but that's a decent front five. The back row is a bit experimental, but without Moriarty fit then we are a bit stuck at No8, and Botham probably deserves an opportunity within the non-availability of Olly Griffiths.
Re: Team for Georgia
Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2020 12:06 pm
by normanski
Sandydragon wrote:Graigwen wrote:According to the Western Mail I might get some of my wishes.
13 changes suggested by the never reliable paper:
"Reported Wales XV to face Georgia: L Williams; McNicholl, Tompkins, J Williams, Rees-Zammit; Sheedy, Hardy; Jones, Dee, Lee, Ball, Davies, Tipuric (capt), Botham, Wainwright."
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I read that last night as well. Really not sure about McNicholl, but given how much Adams has played I can see why he was rotated. That backline can do some damage and the front row is a strong one. I've never been sure about Seb Davies, but that's a decent front five. The back row is a bit experimental, but without Moriarty fit then we are a bit stuck at No8, and Botham probably deserves an opportunity within the non-availability of Olly Griffiths.
While that forecasted team could do some damage to Georgia it could also go horribly wrong for Wales.
Unless these players have really gelled in training over recent weeks it would only take a dominant Georgia scrum for the side, who must be hurting after heavy defeats so far, to get on the front foot and tackle and batter Wales into submission. The effect on the young players could be catastrophic.
Ever the optimist, I believe we are going to see some of the best attacking rugby from Wales so far in 2020.
Wales to win by at least two scores.
Re: Team for Georgia
Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2020 12:54 pm
by Sandydragon
normanski wrote:Sandydragon wrote:Graigwen wrote:According to the Western Mail I might get some of my wishes.
13 changes suggested by the never reliable paper:
"Reported Wales XV to face Georgia: L Williams; McNicholl, Tompkins, J Williams, Rees-Zammit; Sheedy, Hardy; Jones, Dee, Lee, Ball, Davies, Tipuric (capt), Botham, Wainwright."
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I read that last night as well. Really not sure about McNicholl, but given how much Adams has played I can see why he was rotated. That backline can do some damage and the front row is a strong one. I've never been sure about Seb Davies, but that's a decent front five. The back row is a bit experimental, but without Moriarty fit then we are a bit stuck at No8, and Botham probably deserves an opportunity within the non-availability of Olly Griffiths.
While that forecasted team could do some damage to Georgia it could also go horribly wrong for Wales.
Unless these players have really gelled in training over recent weeks it would only take a dominant Georgia scrum for the side, who must be hurting after heavy defeats so far, to get on the front foot and tackle and batter Wales into submission. The effect on the young players could be catastrophic.
Ever the optimist, I believe we are going to see some of the best attacking rugby from Wales so far in 2020.
Wales to win by at least two scores.
Thats a real concern. Georgia pushed us very close a few seasons ago and we only won because of some dodgy refereeing if I remember correctly.
Hopefully with a strong scrummaging front row we can nullify that threat and a mobile back row can generate some quick ball. I'm still worried that the tactics used by Privac means that we keep getting out muscled at the breakdown, but we shall see.
Re: Team for Georgia
Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2020 12:55 pm
by Sandydragon
Looking at the bench, theres not a great deal there to rescue us if Georgia do get the upper hand physically.
Re: Team for Georgia
Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2020 1:31 pm
by Numbers
Sandydragon wrote:normanski wrote:Sandydragon wrote:
I read that last night as well. Really not sure about McNicholl, but given how much Adams has played I can see why he was rotated. That backline can do some damage and the front row is a strong one. I've never been sure about Seb Davies, but that's a decent front five. The back row is a bit experimental, but without Moriarty fit then we are a bit stuck at No8, and Botham probably deserves an opportunity within the non-availability of Olly Griffiths.
While that forecasted team could do some damage to Georgia it could also go horribly wrong for Wales.
Unless these players have really gelled in training over recent weeks it would only take a dominant Georgia scrum for the side, who must be hurting after heavy defeats so far, to get on the front foot and tackle and batter Wales into submission. The effect on the young players could be catastrophic.
Ever the optimist, I believe we are going to see some of the best attacking rugby from Wales so far in 2020.
Wales to win by at least two scores.
Thats a real concern.
Georgia pushed us very close a few seasons ago and we only won because of some dodgy refereeing if I remember correctly.
Hopefully with a strong scrummaging front row we can nullify that threat and a mobile back row can generate some quick ball. I'm still worried that the tactics used by Privac means that we keep getting out muscled at the breakdown, but we shall see.
Whereas that is true we beat them 43-14 at last years world cup.
I worry for the scrum, the lineout I think we will be better in as Georgia are no great shakes in that department, I'm hoping the forecast isn't for rain as that would definitely play into Georgia's hands.
Re: Team for Georgia
Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2020 1:34 pm
by Numbers
Umm, I've just checked and it looks like strong winds and rain are forecast for Saturday, I'm half tempted to have a bet on Georgia as they are 40/1.
Re: Team for Georgia
Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2020 1:36 pm
by Sandydragon
Numbers wrote:Umm, I've just checked and it looks like strong winds and rain are forecast for Saturday, I'm half tempted to have a bet on Georgia as they are 40/1.
Not a bad idea, every cloud and all that.
Re: Team for Georgia
Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2020 1:36 pm
by Sandydragon
Sandydragon wrote:Numbers wrote:Umm, I've just checked and it looks like strong winds and rain are forecast for Saturday, I'm half tempted to have a bet on Georgia as they are 40/1.
Not a bad idea, every cloud and all that.
Actually, I wonder what the odds are for a shit game which Wales emerged as winners through luck are?
Re: Team for Georgia
Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2020 2:11 pm
by normanski
Sandydragon wrote:Sandydragon wrote:Numbers wrote:Umm, I've just checked and it looks like strong winds and rain are forecast for Saturday, I'm half tempted to have a bet on Georgia as they are 40/1.
Not a bad idea, every cloud and all that.
Actually, I wonder what the odds are for a shit game which Wales emerged as winners through luck are?
I have a nagging fear that might be the case but we have to have faith - there’s not much else to keep our spirits up.
Re: Team for Georgia
Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2020 2:35 pm
by Numbers
Sandydragon wrote:Sandydragon wrote:Numbers wrote:Umm, I've just checked and it looks like strong winds and rain are forecast for Saturday, I'm half tempted to have a bet on Georgia as they are 40/1.
Not a bad idea, every cloud and all that.
Actually, I wonder what the odds are for a shit game which Wales emerged as winners through luck are?
You could get the handicap bet for that, Wales are 7/2 to win by 1-12 points, looking at odds checker the odds for Georgia to win has dropped to 22/1 at best.
Re: Team for Georgia
Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2020 2:48 pm
by Wallpaperman
I think it will be a 2 or 3 score win for Wales, and am pleased to see that they have gone for a scrummaging front row. Nicky Smith and Leon Brown could be in for a test later on.
Obviously it is a very inexperienced side, but there is a lot of pace in the backline, which should see Wales over the line with a bit to spare. The slight worry is that individual players will see the match as a chance to shine, and not play as a team. Fingers crossed for Saturday !!
Re: Team for Georgia
Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2020 3:11 pm
by Sandydragon
Numbers wrote:Sandydragon wrote:Sandydragon wrote:
Not a bad idea, every cloud and all that.
Actually, I wonder what the odds are for a shit game which Wales emerged as winners through luck are?
You could get the handicap bet for that, Wales are 7/2 to win by 1-12 points, looking at odds checker the odds for Georgia to win has dropped to 22/1 at best.
I'm guessing a flood of Welsh fans wanting to hedge their bets on that one!
Re: Team for Georgia
Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2020 5:30 pm
by Son of Mathonwy
Graigwen wrote:According to the Western Mail I might get some of my wishes.
13 changes suggested by the never reliable paper:
"Reported Wales XV to face Georgia: L Williams; McNicholl, Tompkins, J Williams, Rees-Zammit; Sheedy, Hardy; Jones, Dee, Lee, Ball, Davies, Tipuric (capt), Botham, Wainwright."
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Superforecasters.