Toonie, Goooooooooooooooone

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To replace Vern in 2017.
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Wow, wonder what has brought that about.
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Big D wrote:Wow, wonder what has brought that about.
The early announcement or the actual change?
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Both.

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hp18 wrote:
Big D wrote:Wow, wonder what has brought that about.
The early announcement or the actual change?
Both.
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Big D wrote:
hp18 wrote:
Big D wrote:Wow, wonder what has brought that about.
The early announcement or the actual change?
Both.
On the announcement. The SRU leak all over the shop, and Scottish sports journas have shown themselves to be an untrustworthy shower of wankers. Maybe one was going to print and they were forced to announce early? Better to do it yourself and piss on Morrisons chips while you're at it.

Vern will want back to NZ eventually. No Soup rugby slots available next year, maybe he wanted a year and the SRU rightly said piss off? Maybe they thought Toonie was a flight risk (can't see it myself, not yet), and decided now was the time for the change? Who knows.
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hp18 wrote:
Big D wrote:
hp18 wrote: The early announcement or the actual change?
Both.
On the announcement. The SRU leak all over the shop, and Scottish sports journas have shown themselves to be an untrustworthy shower of wankers. Maybe one was going to print and they were forced to announce early? Better to do it yourself and piss on Morrisons chips while you're at it.

Vern will want back to NZ eventually. No Soup rugby slots available next year, maybe he wanted a year and the SRU rightly said piss off? Maybe they thought Toonie was a flight risk (can't see it myself, not yet), and decided now was the time for the change? Who knows.
Wonder if he'll be part of the Lions set up.
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That could be interesting.

I think Toonie is the man long-term, I just dont know when. I always wonder where Edinburgh (and Scotland) would have been if Robinson had stayed.
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Great appointment. A lot of Scotland's recent 'success' (hey, relatively speaking...) is probably down to the weegie players Toony has developed. Very excited about this.
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Would rather Toonie tested himself somewhere first and cotter extended his contract but considering some previous coaches it's not a bad appointment.
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Thinking about it I think this is too early for GT. I certainly don't see it as definitively positive overall for Scottish rugby at this stage.

Undoubtedly great in the league but Glasgow have never reached their potential on Europe. I'd have like to see GT go to England/France for 2-3 years.
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On a side note
Glasgow could do with having a clue re their next coach as a lot of OOC players will be wanting to know who they are signing up to play for.
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Big D wrote:On a side note
Glasgow could do with having a clue re their next coach as a lot of OOC players will be wanting to know who they are signing up to play for.
And they will know more than we do.
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hp18 wrote:
And they will know more than we do.
I think MI5 are involved here..
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hp18 wrote:
Big D wrote:On a side note
Glasgow could do with having a clue re their next coach as a lot of OOC players will be wanting to know who they are signing up to play for.
And they will know more than we do.
That is not always a safe assumption. Many of the players agents will be starting now to fish for offers. Unless Glasgow are staying in house they could only have made tentative approaches to others.

On a similar note, I am not entirely happy that there appears to have been no other candidates considered at least for comparison. It shows the need for Glasgow and Edinburgh to have Scottish HC's unless an outstanding candidate from elsewhere becomes available.
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It also can't be coincidence that the SRU AGM is Saturday.

GT will also need to start recruiting his back room staff at some point - probably around the turn of the year. Taylor and Humphries are OOC this year and should get the punt. No idea when O'Halloran is OOC.
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Strange way to go about things but at least it's after the 6N so the players should remain focused. It's a shame as I like Cotter and would have preferred Toonie to have another couple of goes at Euroe before stepping up.

For Glasgow do they get someone in now to be groomed to take over at the end of the season? would any of the assistants step up?
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Courtesy of Gordon at GW

"Tom English says he's spoken to Mark Dodson and been told that the SRU know who they want to be the next Glasgow coach, are confident they have him, and hope to be able to make an announcement in the next two weeks."
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hp18 wrote:Courtesy of Gordon at GW

"Tom English says he's spoken to Mark Dodson and been told that the SRU know who they want to be the next Glasgow coach, are confident they have him, and hope to be able to make an announcement in the next two weeks."
If that person is unemployed or not available til say the end of the mitre cup then Im 'm not sure there would be justification for keeping the status quo except to save a wee bit of money.
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Big D wrote:
hp18 wrote:Courtesy of Gordon at GW

"Tom English says he's spoken to Mark Dodson and been told that the SRU know who they want to be the next Glasgow coach, are confident they have him, and hope to be able to make an announcement in the next two weeks."
If that person is unemployed or not available til say the end of the mitre cup then Im 'm not sure there would be justification for keeping the status quo except to save a wee bit of money.
Eh?
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hp18 wrote:
Big D wrote:
hp18 wrote:Courtesy of Gordon at GW

"Tom English says he's spoken to Mark Dodson and been told that the SRU know who they want to be the next Glasgow coach, are confident they have him, and hope to be able to make an announcement in the next two weeks."
If that person is unemployed or not available til say the end of the mitre cup then Im 'm not sure there would be justification for keeping the status quo except to save a wee bit of money.
Eh?
Should the identified replacement be available to start with Glasgow within a reasonable timeframe e.g now if unemployed, or end of the mitre 10 cup if employed in NZ then we should just get the whole thing moving and key people in their new jobs. No point waiting until the end of the season. It won't make much difference to Glasgow (they'll should still make the playoffs) and will benefit Scotland rather than having a lame duck as coach.
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Maybe Stern was hounded out....

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scott ... er-8579524

(First I've heard of it, cadged off the Blog).
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AL. wrote:Maybe Stern was hounded out....

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scott ... er-8579524

(First I've heard of it, cadged off the Blog).
Jammy hammed up an interview (admitted it at the time and after, he was clearly ripping it) and now wanker papers like above have gone into overdrive. It's bollocks.
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Big D wrote:
hp18 wrote:
Big D wrote:
If that person is unemployed or not available til say the end of the mitre cup then Im 'm not sure there would be justification for keeping the status quo except to save a wee bit of money.
Eh?
Should the identified replacement be available to start with Glasgow within a reasonable timeframe e.g now if unemployed, or end of the mitre 10 cup if employed in NZ then we should just get the whole thing moving and key people in their new jobs. No point waiting until the end of the season. It won't make much difference to Glasgow (they'll should still make the playoffs) and will benefit Scotland rather than having a lame duck as coach.
Sorry, that's a load of shite.
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hp18 wrote:
Big D wrote:
hp18 wrote: Eh?
Should the identified replacement be available to start with Glasgow within a reasonable timeframe e.g now if unemployed, or end of the mitre 10 cup if employed in NZ then we should just get the whole thing moving and key people in their new jobs. No point waiting until the end of the season. It won't make much difference to Glasgow (they'll should still make the playoffs) and will benefit Scotland rather than having a lame duck as coach.
Sorry, that's a load of shite.
You disagree that is fair enough.

According to the papers the SRU are expected to accept any offer for VC to leave early leaving GT to cover both jobs until a weeg HC was found. If they are that really convinced GT is the man to take Scotland to the next level (£400k + add ons* suggest they are) then why wait? I said the same thing when the SRU agreed to wait on VC. The only reason can be they are unwilling to spend the extra money.

It looks like they have a successor lined up:
Mark Dodson wrote: Glasgow fans will be disappointed to see Townsend go after he led them to the Pro12 title in 2015, but Dodson believes the man they have lined up as his successor will excite the Scotstoun regulars.

"We're very close to being able to announce Gregor's successor," Dodson continued. "It will be over the next couple of weeks or so.

"We've done our due diligence, we've made our moves in the market and we're confident we'll be able to announce a highly successful coach. I think most rugby people will know this person.

"In two or three weeks time, I think we'll be in a position to make sure that the Glasgow fans realise that we have taken the project at Scotstoun on to another level with a person that can replace Gregor and just keep that wonderful story of the Warriors going.

"I think, when you see the person we've appointed, I don't think they'll be any doubt about his quality."
If he really is a "highly successful" coach just get on with it.

*reported in the Daily Mail. For reference allegedly Cotter is on £300k, Gatland is on a rumoured £450k and Jones £500k.
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